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Make HP runes % based and you solve all these issues.

While your at it you could make mp runes % based and bring back the power of the pro ring. I’m sure with mp regen kit and mp runes you could make a nice tanky wizz

What would this solve? Just makes warriors stronger and every other class weaker.

Slice and poison should be changed to a % of health instead of a flat number this would help pvp wise. I did make this suggestion a while back, as a 500 tick on a wiz is 20% of your hp 2.5k hp and a 500 tick on a warrior is about 5% in comparison. Numbers based on war having 10k hp.

Imagine the forum's when slice/poison ticks 1/5 a warriors hp.
 
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I agree with a lot of this, the cool down on BC for wars and Translocation should be increased !

Trans is alrdy a 12 sec cool down what other spell had tht type of cool down cos I k ow bc doesn't

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End of the day aswell no matter what Andy does its a lose lose situation cos if he nerfs wizzys he get everyone moaning about tht and same if he was to nerf warrs tao he's best just keeping as it is tbh there's no situation wher he wud win in this unless you nerf all 3 chars if your going to nerf shield the nerf the debuff skill from taos in pvp and the fact warriors can hit para you or use skills consecutively on you cos yeah fairs wizz ain't meant to go toe to toe but tell me how it's fair of we're running round you fighting then you just one hit para us game over thts not fair especially when you cud 130 summin warrior and can fk a 170 wizzz
 
What would this solve? Just makes warriors stronger and every other class weaker.

Slice and poison should be changed to a % of health instead of a flat number this would help pvp wise. I did make this suggestion a while back, as a 500 tick on a wiz is 20% of your hp 2.5k hp and a 500 tick on a warrior is about 5% in comparison. Numbers based on war having 10k hp.

Imagine the forum's when slice/poison ticks 1/5 a warriors hp.

It would force you to build a new kit granted and play the way a wizz was designed to be played. If you disagree with then then explain why pro rings arnt used and what you would do to fix this? Yes i know the game has evolved and all that argument blah blah blah,

Warrs wouldnt get any stronger if hp runes were % based correctly. ie 3% would be about 300hp on a warr. IF wizzies choose to use them along with the pdr kit they already they would still be very very strong but killable

Also if your unhappy with poison just use an antidote (which im 99.99% sure u do already so its laughable you keep bringing it up)

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Trans is alrdy a 12 sec cool down what other spell had tht type of cool down cos I k ow bc doesn't

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End of the day aswell no matter what Andy does its a lose lose situation cos if he nerfs wizzys he get everyone moaning about tht and same if he was to nerf warrs tao he's best just keeping as it is tbh there's no situation wher he wud win in this unless you nerf all 3 chars if your going to nerf shield the nerf the debuff skill from taos in pvp and the fact warriors can hit para you or use skills consecutively on you cos yeah fairs wizz ain't meant to go toe to toe but tell me how it's fair of we're running round you fighting then you just one hit para us game over thts not fair especially when you cud 130 summin warrior and can fk a 170 wizzz

a 130 warr can def not fk a 170 wizz
 
It would force you to build a new kit granted and play the way a wizz was designed to be played. If you disagree with then then explain why pro rings arnt used and what you would do to fix this? Yes i know the game has evolved and all that argument blah blah blah,

Warrs wouldnt get any stronger if hp runes were % based correctly. ie 3% would be about 300hp on a warr. IF wizzies choose to use them along with the pdr kit they already they would still be very very strong but killable

Also if your unhappy with poison just use an antidote (which im 99.99% sure u do already so its laughable you keep bringing it up)

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a 130 warr can def not fk a 170 wizz

As designed by who? Incase you haven't logged into mir Arcadia or are some how blinded to the fact this isn't euro, this is Arcadia things exist here like pdr mdr elemental res it's not just wiz that can be tanky, just you have a choice like me, I choose Pdr I get raped by taos and even fights vs wiz alternatively I go MDR, Wiz/tao become no problem but I get 1 hit by warriors.

Yes antidotes exist, yes I do use them! Do they prevent poison 100% nope. Do they add any resistance to yim poison? Nope still lands 100% regardless of poison resistance. Just as yim can poison naga Lord when a tao may take 4/5 casts.

It's a shame you don't actually have much useful to say. Just half truths and miss guided judgement.

Went @pvp last night in pvp chong fucked me up. Can't deal enough damage to cause him a problem.

Yet I'm in event cave stats 81%pdr - 75% fire res- tao buffs and a reindeer meat for the extra hpr. Have Ella using purification and heals, fighting ds. Just keeps trying to out tank...how can you out tank that situation when your full dc? Tao heal and pots alone out heal the damage, but it's situations like this which create the Pdr op. When in fact there's many more factors involved. Put simply I build as much res as I can, heroics, torches, ultimate enhancer and magic pots give a huge buff for damage out put. Wiz damage is pretty poor, fire guards rendered inferno useless. Our damage is piss poor. So my entire goal was to try and do smaller damage over a longer period of time.

Adapt to your situation. Stop building dc, try building something to help you stay alive. You'd be surprised how much more damage you do when your in a fight for 5 minutes more than some divvy trying to 1 shot you. Who spends 90% of pvp in safe zone crying.
 
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130 warriors absolutely can wreck a 170 wiz, I personally done it on my warr several times to greatone all its takes is the para to land.

Imms had a pile of lower lvl warriors at war all of whom have done it to me, millsy darkhell valigan etc etc etc theres actually too many to name.

richiedizzle and kesha both made nerd and 5star tt from several wars at 130 again para.

My own warrior has been able to obliterate aros Hp since 130.

Why is it always wiz that's complained about in this way, the tankiest char ever in this game was a 140 tao cauliflower (sp?), also Hypatia when Shaun played it was impossible to kill & even ciz has rocked a good def kit once or twice.
 
130 warriors absolutely can wreck a 170 wiz, I personally done it on my warr several times to greatone all its takes is the para to land.

Imms had a pile of lower lvl warriors at war all of whom have done it to me, millsy darkhell valigan etc etc etc theres actually too many to name.

richiedizzle and kesha both made nerd and 5star tt from several wars at 130 again para.

My own warrior has been able to obliterate aros Hp since 130.

Why is it always wiz that's complained about in this way, the tankiest char ever in this game was a 140 tao cauliflower (sp?), also Hypatia when Shaun played it was impossible to kill & even ciz has rocked a good def kit once or twice.


Haha Caulifla, that's Mephiston.

Credit him with the pdr build, he's an outside the box thinker.
 
As designed by who? Incase you haven't logged into mir Arcadia or are some how blinded to the fact this isn't euro, this is Arcadia things exist here like pdr mdr elemental res it's not just wiz that can be tanky, just you have a choice like me, I choose Pdr I get raped by taos and even fights vs wiz alternatively I go MDR, Wiz/tao become no problem but I get 1 hit by warriors.

Yes antidotes exist, yes I do use them! Do they prevent poison 100% nope. Do they add any resistance to yim poison? Nope still lands 100% regardless of poison resistance. Just as yim can poison naga Lord when a tao may take 4/5 casts.

It's a shame you don't actually have much useful to say. Just half truths and miss guided judgement.

Went @pvp last night in pvp chong fucked me up. Can't deal enough damage to cause him a problem.

Yet I'm in event cave stats 81%pdr - 75% fire res- tao buffs and a reindeer meat for the extra hpr. Have Ella using purification and heals, fighting ds. Just keeps trying to out tank...how can you out tank that situation when your full dc? Tao heal and pots alone out heal the damage, but it's situations like this which create the Pdr op. When in fact there's many more factors involved. Put simply I build as much res as I can, heroics, torches, ultimate enhancer and magic pots give a huge buff for damage out put. Wiz damage is pretty poor, fire guards rendered inferno useless. Our damage is piss poor. So my entire goal was to try and do smaller damage over a longer period of time.

Adapt to your situation. Stop building dc, try building something to help you stay alive. You'd be surprised how much more damage you do when your in a fight for 5 minutes more than some divvy trying to 1 shot you. Who spends 90% of pvp in safe zone crying.

Don’t you ever feel ill from the smell of the amount of shit you chat?

You ignore most original points and simply make posts / comments that will benefit you, fair enough, a lot of ppl do this, but you try and sit amount your high horse of bollox and you genuinely believe ur not a dick for doing it! Take a long hard look at your posts and your behaviour on the forums for that matter as it’s embarrassing!!

I know there’s 2 sides on this server and that will always create animosity on forums, but I don’t know one person on our side who thinks anything bad about 5s. Maybe you should take some notes or be asked to be mentored

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130 warriors absolutely can wreck a 170 wiz, I personally done it on my warr several times to greatone all its takes is the para to land.

Imms had a pile of lower lvl warriors at war all of whom have done it to me, millsy darkhell valigan etc etc etc theres actually too many to name.

richiedizzle and kesha both made nerd and 5star tt from several wars at 130 again para.

My own warrior has been able to obliterate aros Hp since 130.

Why is it always wiz that's complained about in this way, the tankiest char ever in this game was a 140 tao cauliflower (sp?), also Hypatia when Shaun played it was impossible to kill & even ciz has rocked a good def kit once or twice.

When we are both next sober let’s do some tests!

All these crazy accusations been thrown about need to be tested!
 
Don’t you ever feel ill from the smell of the amount of shit you chat?

You ignore most original points and simply make posts / comments that will benefit you, fair enough, a lot of ppl do this, but you try and sit amount your high horse of bollox and you genuinely believe ur not a dick for doing it! Take a long hard look at your posts and your behaviour on the forums for that matter as it’s embarrassing!!

I know there’s 2 sides on this server and that will always create animosity on forums, but I don’t know one person on our side who thinks anything bad about 5s. Maybe you should take some notes or be asked to be mentored

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When we are both next sober let’s do some tests!

All these crazy accusations been thrown about need to be tested!

I replied to everyone of your points? Because you didn't like the reply I'm chatting shit? I made a valid response to your antidote nonsense..... I then made more valid points. Maybe you should try and take you own advice.

I'm sorry if you lack the brain capacity to understand this isn't euro mir and that builds other than all out attack exist, its a dire shame you can't seem to grasp this.

I have very little concern what people's opinions of me are from "your side".

Please find any post of mine which doesn't contain anything factual. Unlike you, I actually go in-game I pvp I test things, I change kits. I test more things. Your basis of pvp is what? The shoulder dash around the map and tt?

Sorry one point I didn't touch on which I probably should of was your, why aren't pro rings used, they are I carry one at all times for when a warrior paras me. But other than that, they don't get used because what happens is a warrior will 1 hit all your mana then you can't fight. Or your green poisoned and drains all your mana so you can't fight.
 
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Pdr is broke. Glad all you pdr wizzies are getting so defensive over this. It needs nerfing. Or wars need a way to mitigate it. Can’t be expecting warriors to use theyre mass attack lvling spells to tickle a wiz to death.
 
Pdr is broke. Glad all you pdr wizzies are getting so defensive over this. It needs nerfing. Or wars need a way to mitigate it. Can’t be expecting warriors to use theyre mass attack lvling spells to tickle a wiz to death.

Tested this 2 days ago, took me 20 secs to rev powertotheman, he reved me in 1.5secs using just tdb. What more do you want?
 
Tested this 2 days ago, took me 20 secs to rev powertotheman, he reved me in 1.5secs using just tdb. What more do you want?

Were u naked and no shield or something?

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I replied to everyone of your points? Because you didn't like the reply I'm chatting shit? I made a valid response to your antidote nonsense..... I then made more valid points. Maybe you should try and take you own advice.

I'm sorry if you lack the brain capacity to understand this isn't euro mir and that builds other than all out attack exist, its a dire shame you can't seem to grasp this.

I have very little concern what people's opinions of me are from "your side".

Please find any post of mine which doesn't contain anything factual. Unlike you, I actually go in-game I pvp I test things, I change kits. I test more things. Your basis of pvp is what? The shoulder dash around the map and tt?

Sorry one point I didn't touch on which I probably should of was your, why aren't pro rings used, they are I carry one at all times for when a warrior paras me. But other than that, they don't get used because what happens is a warrior will 1 hit all your mana then you can't fight. Or your green poisoned and drains all your mana so you can't fight.

Let’s try a Different approach then.

Rather than just defend the current system why not suggest something to improve it and make it fair for pvp? You were the first to do alt kit builds and got the runes dirt cheap so have nothing to loose. Ur a clever chap and no doubt come up with a more balanced approach if you choose to

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With regards to game fundamentals and euro, that’s the foundations of the game, evolution works by growing from those principles. I thought you knew this stuff but clearly you need it spelling out. Warrs are a HP class Wizzies are MP class. Warrs special ring is para wizzies is pro.

Even if you keep a pro in bag for the odd time you get pared your 100% in the minority as pro rings are currently useless due to the manna drain. If mp runes were % based like mp runes you could get enough mana to fight and take some damage, and then escape. Heaven forbid this would make mp runes worth something again!
 
Were u naked and no shield or something?

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Let’s try a Different approach then.

Rather than just defend the current system why not suggest something to improve it and make it fair for pvp? You were the first to do alt kit builds and got the runes dirt cheap so have nothing to loose. Ur a clever chap and no doubt come up with a more balanced approach if you choose to

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With regards to game fundamentals and euro, that’s the foundations of the game, evolution works by growing from those principles. I thought you knew this stuff but clearly you need it spelling out. Warrs are a HP class Wizzies are MP class. Warrs special ring is para wizzies is pro.

Even if you keep a pro in bag for the odd time you get pared your 100% in the minority as pro rings are currently useless due to the manna drain. If mp runes were % based like mp runes you could get enough mana to fight and take some damage, and then escape. Heaven forbid this would make mp runes worth something again!


I've made a suggestion, stop building full dc? build some res.... Sadly you people cant seem to figure this concept out?

This is not euro, its not loosely based on euro that is your mistake for believing this to be the case. Ele and Res made 100% certain this is nothing like euro.

Here you have options. Euro was just a standard build to do damage.

So let's see my valid suggestions towards pvp here.

Build Res, win a fight over time instead of losing cause you hold shift and try to out tank someone using ya Sunday finest dc kit.

Make Poison and Slice % based, To balance out the damage to each class.

Prevent warriors from being able to use Blazing Sword and Flaming sword 2x. Change the cool down from when cast to when its landed. Allowing classes to build less res as they wont be instantly killed.


Your suggestion's, We (warriors)play arcadia like its euro we should be a tanky dps class able to inflict high dps while sustaining damage without building resist.
Make HP Runes % Based in order to favor warriors over other classes.
Make a new war spell and have warriors build a new kit (Holy Damage) Cause clearly building new kits can be achieved over night. Not over years like some of us have invested?
Another one I found really funny was force me to build a new kit.... See my point above! Takes along time.
Then onto mana runes and suggesting wiz should use a protection ring and mana runes. When a warrior can land 2 blazing and 2 flaming swords and the fact that MP>HP from a pro ring is 2-1, You HAVE NO MANA LEFT! If we had 40k mana a warrior can instantly land 20k damage in under 2 seconds at 2 hits a second.

When in reality all the crying from warriors can be alleviated by building some fire resist? Or adapt a new style of play just like Chong. Who has no problem winning a fight vs a wiz despite being in 90% pdr....

Sadly you seem incapable of seeing basic valid points. So resort to petty attempts at claiming I am chatting shit, When quite simply every solution you have "come up with" has no merit and no factual information to back it up?

The biggest gripe everyone has is they cant instantly burst me into safe zone because this is how the game mechanics have been designed. When in reality that's un-true. We use what's available to us, Defense kits are real.

The sooner you people realize that there is more than DC 10 and PA 1% runes in the game the better.

P.s PDR runes are cheap but every single hp rune in my kit I paid a minimum of 450 for. But I fail to see how this has anything to do with anything? PDR runes are un-used so remain cheap... Doesn't change the fact that my kit the upgrades the time and the cost to socket them still exist?
 
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Were u naked and no shield or something?

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Cant believe you need this spelt out, I was in my full def pvp kit, power was in full dc approx 1700dc.

Tested it again this morning

Aro 173 wiz in full defence kit (took me 18months to build)
Zink 153 war in mediocre kit dc 552-806 (took me a week to buy)

16 secs for Aro to rev Zink every time
Approx 7 secs for Zink to rev Aro

Ran it a dozen times same results each time

Zade has offered to properly test this with darkstyle they are both at hard cap one has best dc ingame one has best mc if they do it it could put this debate to rest
 
It would force you to build a new kit granted and play the way a wizz was designed to be played. If you disagree with then then explain why pro rings arnt used and what you would do to fix this? Yes i know the game has evolved and all that argument blah blah blah,

Warrs wouldnt get any stronger if hp runes were % based correctly. ie 3% would be about 300hp on a warr. IF wizzies choose to use them along with the pdr kit they already they would still be very very strong but killable

Also if your unhappy with poison just use an antidote (which im 99.99% sure u do already so its laughable you keep bringing it up)

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a 130 warr can def not fk a 170 wizz

They really can and further more we're put tht to the test I seen 130 warriors para 165+ thts why I said so yh they can soo how's tht fair at all? I bet if I had a 130 wiz and you got a 165+ warrior it would take me 5 yrs to kill you then a 130 warrior can fk a 165+ wizz but its unfair for warriors lol

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If pdr gers nerfed then so does your lot dc tbh cos you cos walk round with 1100 dc standard where was can't do tht as easily
 
The point no one seems to get is 90% pdr is no more stupid or op than 90% fire res would be for a warrior. They say well you just use ice spells. I say name 1 which would kill you. Name one which would rev you. You'd have to dc or go afk to die to ice.

But instead it's easier to complain that your style doesn't fit. Warriors are nearly un-killable, well the smart ones anyway. Skywalker does better than dark does. For the simple fact he reads the fight better and doesn't just try to toe to toe you. He kites and does damage over time and will bail when low hp to regen.

Ds on the other hand just trys to steam roll you in his full dc build. Not once not twice but every time. Might well work when 2-3v1 but definitely doesn't work when it's him 1v1 or 1v2. Playing to your situation is 90% of the battle.
 
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Finally got round to doing some testing with DarkStyle

When I went in my usual defence kit (84% PDR and about 9k HP) and he went in the kit he normally hunts in (1300 DC) we went toe to toe and he won 3 times out of 3. He was doing 300-400 damage per hit and slice was doing 351 dps, while my COP did 2.1k every 4 seconds. Generally fairly close and felt quite fair even though he won

In full DC kit vs full MC kit, we went toe to toe and both of us were destroyed flat out in barely 2 seconds if not less. Again close and seemed fair

Then I tried against Chong

Wow massive difference

I'm not going to spoil his fun by revealing all his kit builds, but when he wore his defence kit and I was full MC he was able to stand and tank me for a full MINUTE. Yes 60 seconds of me hitting him with COP and him effectively afk and he wasn't even revd.

In another test, I went in full defence kit and I wasn't able to tank Chong. He stood in my fg/fb while I hit him with COP and he straight up killed me while he was still at half HP, and that's without even using a para ring.

Then we tried my range attacks. Tried fire and ice attacks and in both cases I had no chance. In my defence kit he didn't even need to pot, I wasn't out-damaging his normal regen. In full MC kit I did damage but he just used HP pots and was able to just about keep up with the damage I was doing, and that was him standing still. If he ran around I'd obviously miss some shots and he'd be back to full HP in a moment

Wizards have figured out PDR/HP builds. Looks like Chong is the only one that's figured out how to do the same for a warrior.

We'll enjoy it while we can, you guys will catch up soon enough
 
I would like to point out I have said I think pdr is fine the way it is.

Back to the evolution of Mir. Man evolves from ape like creature. They share a lot of similarities. Nerd thinks evolving from ape to Velociraptor is fair
 
I would like to point out I have said I think pdr is fine the way it is.

Back to the evolution of Mir. Man evolves from ape like creature. They share a lot of similarities. Nerd thinks evolving from ape to Velociraptor is fair

Good one! Maybe time for you to evolve slightly passed the ape stage I guess. If you would like to perform any testing in game, feel free to pm me. I'm normally in maggot cave if you want to stop by.
 
I would like to point out I have said I think pdr is fine the way it is.

Back to the evolution of Mir. Man evolves from ape like creature. They share a lot of similarities. Nerd thinks evolving from ape to Velociraptor is fair

Yes wiz have evolved, but so have warriors. So it is fair
 
DS have you tried getting a magic defence kit? a nice magic defence kit could take you a long way and sort out your annoying wizard problem and aswell as being useful with magic attack bosses.

an ideal kit would be high magic defence with reflect and a gaint kataroid pet..
 
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