Warrior vs wizard

[deanouk23]

I had a skirmish a while ago Aro & Ella vs Via, no matter what we threw at Via 2 vs 1 his HP Regan regained faster than our combined attacks could damage & we were very competent pvp, and yet it only took one minor error from me for Via to get a kill, whereas if for example Aro was fighting Darkstyle or Alsiral and ds or Al lagged out mid fight, they will disconnect before Aro can get the kill.

I would second what Nerd is saying, try building a different kit instead of trying to nerf an entire class because one or two clever players have worked out a way to get the best out of they char by building an incredibly expensive kit.

I find the same pvp wise even in full damage the chances of actually killing anyone is slim to non. Taos absolutely destroy a wiz within 5-10 seconds.

The nerf to bloodstorm 100% killed any hope of a wiz winning vs a tao.

But your are absolutely right about the regen when it's wiz vs war, they just shoulder dash around and regen more hp than they lose, hence I made a post about it. But it's been that way for 20 years. But what hasn't been the same for 20 years, is the resist and the hpr 600% which now makes warriors able to regen more hp than they lose each sd. Making them nearly un killable.

I say nearly because everyone can make a mistake. But the chances of dropping 25-30k damage from a wiz on a warrior before they can tt just doesn't happen. But then every warrior wants to be able to 1 hit you just cause your a wiz.

Last time this discussion came up, I said the same thing I've built my kit to counter physical damage, they can build kit to counter the one spell which does any damage cop. Rather easily tbh. But they won't lose dc.

I could do a zade kit and get mc 2k, very little res and health then complain that I die in one hit. Because that's the same as warriors stacking full dc and complaining.

 

[zad48231]

I could do a zade kit and get mc 2k, very little res and health then complain that I die in one hit. Because that's the same as warriors stacking full dc and complaining.

Just don't forget if you're wearing that kit haha. I'm running around event with full MC kit (1700ish, cos I'm too cheap to live on torches/hero pots etc.), no rev ring, no hp. It works fine pve cos event mobs barely hurt anyway so might as well just smash them quicker. But I might have slightly forgotten I had no rev ring on and got in a tangle and died to a noob warrior who got 2 hits on me while I was tanking a frost giant lol. Shit happens haha

 

[deanouk23]

Just don't forget if you're wearing that kit haha. I'm running around event with full MC kit (1700ish, cos I'm too cheap to live on torches/hero pots etc.), no rev ring, no hp. It works fine pve cos event mobs barely hurt anyway so might as well just smash them quicker. But I might have slightly forgotten I had no rev ring on and got in a tangle and died to a noob warrior who got 2 hits on me while I was tanking a frost giant lol. Shit happens haha

Well in that case warriors need nerfing, no way should a nub war be able to kill a 176 wiz with 1700mc.... Same logic eh

 

[DarkStyle]

I had a skirmish a while ago Aro & Ella vs Via, no matter what we threw at Via 2 vs 1 his HP Regan regained faster than our combined attacks could damage & we were very competent pvp, and yet it only took one minor error from me for Via to get a kill, whereas if for example Aro was fighting Darkstyle or Alsiral and ds or Al lagged out mid fight, they will disconnect before Aro can get the kill.

I would second what Nerd is saying, try building a different kit instead of trying to nerf an entire class because one or two clever players have worked out a way to get the best out of they char by building an incredibly expensive kit.

It’s not incredibly expensive tho is it? I could prob make a full pdr wiz kit in a few days. Pdr runes are in shops.

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It’s not incredibly expensive tho is it? I could prob make a full pdr wiz kit in a few days. Pdr runes are in shops.

You can buy 30 pdr runes that will fill every slot in every item for the price of 1 fury rune. You might even have change.

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It’s not incredibly expensive tho is it? I could prob make a full pdr wiz kit in a few days. Pdr runes are in shops.

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You can buy 30 pdr runes that will fill every slot in every item for the price of 1 fury rune. You might even have change.

And you already have a 60% pdr shield. Your all saying make a defence kit make a hp kit bla bla. I have 20k hp kit. It don’t make the blindest bit of difference. You want me to decrease my damage output when I already do next to no damage so I can live a little longer and do less damage. Don’t make sense to me. I make fire res kit then the wiz just go pdr and ice dmg.

 

[unknownuser01]

Yeah must say don't think theres anything wrong with pdr there's pros an cons to all classes in pvp as nerd said you can 1 hit para wizz and it's game over same with bc you can bc wizz from how many steps away an para then again its game over just beacause your Highest lvl in game doesn't mean you sud be tanking evryone as said if you was to focus on defense your be alright

 

[deanouk23]

It’s not incredibly expensive tho is it? I could prob make a full pdr wiz kit in a few days. Pdr runes are in shops.

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You can buy 30 pdr runes that will fill every slot in every item for the price of 1 fury rune. You might even have change.

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And you already have a 60% pdr shield. Your all saying make a defence kit make a hp kit bla bla. I have 20k hp kit. It don’t make the blindest bit of difference. You want me to decrease my damage output when I already do next to no damage so I can live a little longer and do less damage. Don’t make sense to me. I make fire res kit then the wiz just go pdr and ice dmg.

No you completely miss the point, if you had 90% fire res and your frost frenzy does 400 a hit to me and my cop does 200 a hit to you and you have double my hp? How do you lose that battle? Fact is you need to build to outlast the person your fighting. Have all the damage in the world but what does it matter when you can't deliver it! Because your sat in sz reved.

Fury runes are 700gg because warriors stack pa, its called supply and demand. Pdr runes are in the shop because they are unused. They dont drop anymore often than any other rune. But there is no market for the runes.

Like I said the possibility for you to build a kit to out sustain a wiz is extremely easy, fire guard 10% ignores inferno and firewall tao buff 20-25% and runic buff gets you to 45% from 1 item... Half my damage gone already.

Basically you just want to hit people once and have them tt. Slice and yim and wiz fucked not my fault you use brawn over brains to play the game.

 

[Aro]

Fuji made a cheap pdr kit for his wiz and i have seen a couple more who have done it and have since sold up as they offer fuck all protection against other classes.

I built an all round defence kit not a pdr kit, i did.it fully in hc and cele items over a year ago and it was to the average player expensive as fuck, it rocks pdr for warrior def very high fire res for wizz def and very high ice res for wiz/tao def, and high hp.

Im still fucked if im parad or poisioned, taos can effectivly destroy my fire and ice res when they remember to debuff (not very often but still) and at my last war wummy 1 hit reved me threw shield with all that def. (Ignore target defence perhaps? I didnt get to see)

In this kit standing in pvp1 with a warrior same level as me it took 8 cops to rev him, how long is cop cooldown? 12secs?

For me anyway this all came at a massive loss of mc, nerd and meph have better kit and therefore higher mc but they have also sacrificed huge mc for defence

 

[DarkStyle]

Fuji made a cheap pdr kit for his wiz and i have seen a couple more who have done it and have since sold up as they offer fuck all protection against other classes.

I built an all round defence kit not a pdr kit, i did.it fully in hc and cele items over a year ago and it was to the average player expensive as fuck, it rocks pdr for warrior def very high fire res for wizz def and very high ice res for wiz/tao def, and high hp.

Im still fucked if im parad or poisioned, taos can effectivly destroy my fire and ice res when they remember to debuff (not very often but still) and at my last war wummy 1 hit reved me threw shield with all that def. (Ignore target defence perhaps? I didnt get to see)

In this kit standing in pvp1 with a warrior same level as me it took 8 cops to rev him, how long is cop cooldown? 12secs?

For me anyway this all came at a massive loss of mc, nerd and meph have better kit and therefore higher mc but they have also sacrificed huge mc for defence

I’d rather wiz didn’t get nerfed. Check my suggestions. They’re mostly asking for a way to mitigate a wizzs pdr. Nothing else

 

[killa_nite]

Imo the things that would make it much fairer overall is

Ignore def actually work on pdr/mdr (would make ignore more useful to everyone)
Reduce slow effect somehow in pvp

 

[C289]

Imo the things that would make it much fairer overall is

Ignore def actually work on pdr/mdr (would make ignore more useful to everyone)
Reduce slow effect somehow in pvp

Definitely do no reduce slow in PvP. It's the only way taos have a chance
Takes me a Very long time to kill a war 20 levels below me. That same warrior can 1 or 2 hit KO me.
Then if you get a war same level or higher you can no longer repulse so tiger/slow is ur only chance of winning...will still take 5minutes giving the war plenty of chance to RT or tt.

 

[Aro]

I’d rather wiz didn’t get nerfed. Check my suggestions. They’re mostly asking for a way to mitigate a wizzs pdr. Nothing else

Wummy 1 hit reved me threw all my defence from full 9.5k hp to rev in 1 hit, warriors can hit what like 4 times in a second? I have cop which does 1/8th of your hp per hit but leaves me a sitting duck for 4 seconds. PDR offers us a chance.

If PDR gets fucked wiz need a skill that can kill you in one hit, or a massive boost to cops damage output, its only fair.

 

[deanouk23]

Wummy 1 hit reved me threw all my defence from full 9.5k hp to rev in 1 hit, warriors can hit what like 4 times in a second? I have cop which does 1/8th of your hp per hit but leaves me a sitting duck for 4 seconds. PDR offers us a chance.

If PDR gets fucked wiz need a skill that can kill you in one hit, or a massive boost to cops damage output, its only fair.

Nah your a wiz your not ment to be able to kill a warrior. Hence why wiz damage is so low. Imagine the crying if you 1 hit revived a warrior.

Warriors think they get the shit end of the stick when truth be told its far from it lol.

Warrior currently have very little risk of dieing to a wiz and 0 chance of dieing vs a tao. But its wiz that's the problem...

 

[Taunton0412]

Does a day ever go by when you dont complain about issues? You was never a pvp char and now your fighting other classes your starting to learn that theres more to mir that just hitting mobs and leveling. All classes have their strengths and weaknesses. I have all 3 classes and its a case of learning how to use your character to its ability when fighting.

 

[DarkStyle]

Does a day ever go by when you dont complain about issues? You was never a pvp char and now your fighting other classes your starting to learn that theres more to mir that just hitting mobs and leveling. All classes have their strengths and weaknesses. I have all 3 classes and its a case of learning how to use your character to its ability when fighting.

Sorry who are you?

 

[Taunton0412]

Sorry who are you?

who i am is irrelevant, i'm just pointing out a fact that all classes are balanced out as best as can be. Th server doesn't accommodate soley for just you needs. if your getting owned by a certain class then switch you stats accordingly

 

[bigste5]

who i am is irrelevant, i'm just pointing out a fact that all classes are balanced out as best as can be. Th server doesn't accommodate soley for just you needs. if your getting owned by a certain class then switch you stats accordingly

Well said andy

 

[DarkStyle]

who i am is irrelevant, i'm just pointing out a fact that all classes are balanced out as best as can be. Th server doesn't accommodate soley for just you needs. if your getting owned by a certain class then switch you stats accordingly

Nothing I do is going to make me damage a pdr wizard.
I can make reflect kit like via did. That’s about the only way I can dmg a wizard. You saying I should hit less hard so I can live longer. That’s not resolving the problem here. Warriors can’t damage wizards in pdr kit. I don’t care about wizards damage to me that’s not what I’m moaning about. . I NEED to cut through pdr. That is the problem. PDR.

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You don’t want me to make a fire res kit. I will make it 100% res

 

[DarkStyle]

I find the same pvp wise even in full damage the chances of actually killing anyone is slim to non. Taos absolutely destroy a wiz within 5-10 seconds.

The nerf to bloodstorm 100% killed any hope of a wiz winning vs a tao.

But your are absolutely right about the regen when it's wiz vs war, they just shoulder dash around and regen more hp than they lose, hence I made a post about it. But it's been that way for 20 years. But what hasn't been the same for 20 years, is the resist and the hpr 600% which now makes warriors able to regen more hp than they lose each sd. Making them nearly un killable.

I say nearly because everyone can make a mistake. But the chances of dropping 25-30k damage from a wiz on a warrior before they can tt just doesn't happen. But then every warrior wants to be able to 1 hit you just cause your a wiz.

Last time this discussion came up, I said the same thing I've built my kit to counter physical damage, they can build kit to counter the one spell which does any damage cop. Rather easily tbh. But they won't lose dc.

I could do a zade kit and get mc 2k, very little res and health then complain that I die in one hit. Because that's the same as warriors stacking full dc and complaining.

It’s completely different. Wiz can stack 2k mc and one hit Rev me but they also die 1/2hits.
I stack full dc I cannot dmg you and I die 1/2 hits. I stack full fire res and I do 100 dmg a hit.

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It’s a lose lose for wars. Wiz get it nice one way or the other they can always do massive dmg. I make fore res kit and you’ll just start using ice dmg and pdr.

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The only current way to kill a pdr wiz is using reflect kit. So I have to go back to a holy crystal armour?

 

[zad48231]

It’s completely different. Wiz can stack 2k mc and one hit Rev me but they also die 1/2hits.

Show me a wiz that can 1 hit rev you, cos I know I can't or anywhere near it

 

[deanouk23]

Lol. Honestly lol....

Slice op 500 a tick, combined with yim 400ish a tick? 900.tick take into consideration a para and 2 hits a second.

From a wiz point of view we taking 900+ damage a tick and w.e damage a warrior also dishing on us. Vs our cop which is on a 4 second cool down. Takes us 3/4 to rev you that's 16 seconds, oh look he bced away and dashing around the map regaining more damage than our spells can land.... Yeh you right warriors need help.

Give it a rest.

Wonder when Andy will finally take a leap towards preventing warriors from being the only class able to deal damage. Ya know the blazing and flaming sword stack. That goes on cool down on cast. Instead of when it lands. Allowing for 2 of each to be cast within 4 hits? Wonder how much damage that is in 2 seconds? 20k+?