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It's not about what pets are the best or not, it's simple fact that at 190 the place to level is ST or catacombs GP, and a wiz cannot do either without pets that are durable. Damage doesn't matter.

Slimehulks get destroyed quickly. Tongs last a little longer but not by much. Other than those two, there are no pets other than bdp pets.

Without pets, you simply cannot level in ST as a wiz unless you have ridiculously expensive kit. "HP over 9k"

Taos don't have that issue because they can recast pets easy. While taos do level slower than a wiz trust me, it's not by much, and they don't need ridiculously expensive kit to do it.

As for warrior, I have always agreed with you diamond skin is a useless spell, but as for leveling I don't know, I find the class tedious as hell to play tbh.

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An afterthought had occurred to me.

If we wanted to do away with pets as a crutch for leveling, repurpose nuture and have it grant an HP buff to wizzies instead. As low hp is entirely the only reason wizzies cannot level without pets.

Yes it's easy to say use a protection ring, but requiring a piece of kit to play a class that eats a jewelry slot is bad design IMHO. It also makes visionary, mirroring, and having mp in any capacity moot as it's drained 95% of the time.
What we really need is an ice version of COP. 2 wizzies levelling together casting that alternately to keep mobs frozen would alleviate the need for high HP. I'm thinking back to the days of t-storming lures in PT, so satisfying when you get the timing right!
 
Ice would be nice and all but it really boils down to wizzies not having HP.

Wizzies were always meant to be high damage high risk, but had the ability to have meat shield pets. Pets were never meant to be damage or permanent. Well wizzies have decent aoe damage but have neutered single target damage.

The big problem is lack of diversity in pets for wizzies at 190.

Honestly. What pets are there at level 190? It's like they all fell off the planet. I know crypt witches aren't tamable anymore, but what other pets are there other then bdp pets?

Are there any non super mobs to tame at 190?
 
Look I'ma be honest here, yall know I don't pvp because my ping is shit, so I can't talk on that, and I understand there needs to be balance that works for pve and pvp, but yall can't assume every wiz has 750$ to spend on HP runes lol.

Balance needs to be done based around base stats of the class, not based on a specific class fully kitted out with Ely and top stats HP/sc/dc/mc in runes, crystals, etc...

If you balance classes based on the best kit, pets, etc... players that start to hit those levels are going to hit a brick wall while leveling and eventually leave the game because they wont have the kit to level. This has been proven time and time again.
 
wiz do need op pets as they kinda useless bossing around without it.
solo lvling is useless too, if wiz no pet especially in st.
in pk wiz is the weakest so nvm..
if there a changes,i think it needs to bring back wiches to be tameable agen so its easy access to get pets to 190 wizzes that cant able to get pets without the group clearing all thru the way to f4 in bdp
 
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Look I'ma be honest here, yall know I don't pvp because my ping is shit, so I can't talk on that, and I understand there needs to be balance that works for pve and pvp, but yall can't assume every wiz has 750$ to spend on HP runes lol.

Balance needs to be done based around base stats of the class, not based on a specific class fully kitted out with Ely and top stats HP/sc/dc/mc in runes, crystals, etc...

If you balance classes based on the best kit, pets, etc... players that start to hit those levels are going to hit a brick wall while leveling and eventually leave the game because they wont have the kit to level. This has been proven time and time again.
What you're implying here is you're just too lazy to get the kit u need and runes and wanting to be on par with the oldest players in the server in a blink of an eye. Who says u need to spend $750? Runes are ingame from bosses/sub if u are patient enough.

Proven what? Everytime GM releases new patch with new items time to time, i don't complain i just go with the flow, because someday u will get what u need if you are patient and consistent enough. There're EXP kit that exist ingame don't tell me ppl quitting coz another problem is they can't rune it or facing problem leveling.

Ely's kit don't just grow in ur store or char overnight, u gotta get ur ass out and hunt for it, doesn't every game have this kind of top kit ingame that keep players bossing and bossing for it. Oh then there'll be another problem ppl quitting coz they cannot rune it again.
 
Ice would be nice and all but it really boils down to wizzies not having HP.

Wizzies were always meant to be high damage high risk, but had the ability to have meat shield pets. Pets were never meant to be damage or permanent. Well wizzies have decent aoe damage but have neutered single target damage.

The big problem is lack of diversity in pets for wizzies at 190.

Honestly. What pets are there at level 190? It's like they all fell off the planet. I know crypt witches aren't tamable anymore, but what other pets are there other then bdp pets?

Are there any non super mobs to tame at 190?
Agreed but welcome to Arcadia, GM designed how wizz class should be played. That can tank alot of DC, insta full HP etc.
 
It's not about what pets are the best or not, it's simple fact that at 190 the place to level is ST or catacombs GP, and a wiz cannot do either without pets that are durable. Damage doesn't matter.

Slimehulks get destroyed quickly. Tongs last a little longer but not by much. Other than those two, there are no pets other than bdp pets.

Without pets, you simply cannot level in ST as a wiz unless you have ridiculously expensive kit. "HP over 9k"

Taos don't have that issue because they can recast pets easy. While taos do level slower than a wiz trust me, it's not by much, and they don't need ridiculously expensive kit to do it.

As for warrior, I have always agreed with you diamond skin is a useless spell, but as for leveling I don't know, I find the class tedious as hell to play tbh.

-edit-

An afterthought had occurred to me.

If we wanted to do away with pets as a crutch for leveling, repurpose nuture and have it grant an HP buff to wizzies instead. As low hp is entirely the only reason wizzies cannot level without pets.

Yes it's easy to say use a protection ring, but requiring a piece of kit to play a class that eats a jewelry slot is bad design IMHO. It also makes visionary, mirroring, and having mp in any capacity moot as it's drained 95% of the time.
Diamond skin,.... 1696414622061.png, well all warriors in existence apart from Roy cause he thinks its a good spell rofl
 
Protection rings are criminal tbf I don’t know how anyone can play a wiz with one of them, you’re 3 smacks and a t-bolt away from being out of mana and on your bike
 
Before we even get started, let’s keep this one a civil discussion please, “both sides” will be effected

So wizz pets, has been stated many times they have evolved into a feature of the game that was never intended, that much is undeniable. In their current form they are OP and high ish maintenance. A class’s effectiveness shouldn’t be determined by obtaining and looking after a set of BDP pets!

What’s the solution??? Well that’s what can be discussed 😎

I personally think pets should have a set life rather than a timer. So tame them and give they are urs for 48 hours or something, after 48 hours they die so can’t be bounced around chars. This would obviously create issues with the ability to solo bosses for wizzies so I would suggest a boost to multi strike power, you could tame other random stuff to act as a meat shield and then use some actual skill to kill a boss rather being a bloody zoo keeper

What do other people think?

Please keep constructive as this post is created with the intent of improving the game
Sorry but if you take these pets away we are finshed yes there’s other pets. But have you ever took pets from normal caves to somewhere like st or cata or consumed souls ? They get destroyed your end spending most the time looking for pets
I know cos I tried use them before honestly the only pets tht can actually last you is them rdd/bdp pets. Don’t get me wrong I do find it annoying how we do have to rely on them but they are needed.

Also let’s starting looking at the pve side both Tao and warrior are now hitting 2k dc sc comfortable now name me 1 wizz who walks round with over 2000mc? Take them away bosses killing mobs become a joke. So we could boost wiz dmg but we all know how tht will end “wiz to op” so then their get nerfed and wizz become pointless.

I really don’t see any compromise here that’s going to work just leave it at it is imo.
 
Protection rings are criminal tbf I don’t know how anyone can play a wiz with one of them, you’re 3 smacks and a t-bolt away from being out of mana and on your bike
Thing is I thought the same but I see some people make it work in war . But not everyone engaging in tht anyway .

Pve when you’re a wiz with 2k hp I see why they want to use them fully even if it’s just in bag and you switch it when you’re about to die to gain some hp. But yeah I do get what your saying.
 
Sorry but if you take these pets away we are finshed yes there’s other pets. But have you ever took pets from normal caves to somewhere like st or cata or consumed souls ? They get destroyed your end spending most the time looking for pets
I know cos I tried use them before honestly the only pets tht can actually last you is them rdd/bdp pets. Don’t get me wrong I do find it annoying how we do have to rely on them but they are needed.

Also let’s starting looking at the pve side both Tao and warrior are now hitting 2k dc sc comfortable now name me 1 wizz who walks round with over 2000mc? Take them away bosses killing mobs become a joke. So we could boost wiz dmg but we all know how tht will end “wiz to op” so then their get nerfed and wizz become pointless.

I really don’t see any compromise here that’s going to work just leave it at it is imo.
In my exp kit I have 2100 MC, it's not even high level stuff, anyone can make kit like that pretty cheaply. With some effort I reckon 2500 MC is possible. Got no HP on it though, so is only for sz caves cos obviously can't pvp in that kit. But mobs die very fast even without pets, can kill bosses fast in that kit too. Really I only find pets are essential to kill stuff for me so I can wear my defence kit, otherwise I'd be very vulnerable to pk

Maybe the answer is more sz hunting areas, then wiz won't be so pressured into being so defence focused. A wiz with kit focused on damage can be fun to play
 
Protection rings are criminal tbf I don’t know how anyone can play a wiz with one of them, you’re 3 smacks and a t-bolt away from being out of mana and on your bike
Not to take this off-topic, but protection rings are essential for Wizards. I use them in combination with MP recovery-boosting items. If it wasn't for that I would be dying constantly.

Wizards have always been, and always should be, glass cannons. I think this is a point many overlook. Pets mitigate against the glass-cannon nature of Wizards.
 
In my exp kit I have 2100 MC, it's not even high level stuff, anyone can make kit like that pretty cheaply. With some effort I reckon 2500 MC is possible. Got no HP on it though, so is only for sz caves cos obviously can't pvp in that kit. But mobs die very fast even without pets, can kill bosses fast in that kit too. Really I only find pets are essential to kill stuff for me so I can wear my defence kit, otherwise I'd be very vulnerable to pk

Maybe the answer is more sz hunting areas, then wiz won't be so pressured into being so defence focused. A wiz with kit focused on damage can be fun to play
Yeah and that’s super nice I will give you that you you put time and effort into making tht kit and you easily go smash most things in tht but also as you say it’s more of a ds cave kit.

So when you go normal caves these pets become essential especially if you haven’t got the defences for it so will whizz become restricted to using ds caves only ?. when I’m in grps pets are not needed I don’t use my pets if I’m in a grp I’ll just Tt for pet timer then rejoin them they just get in the way otherwise but solo they are.

Now if wiz’s got a buff so we can stack 2k mc without having to worry to much about our defences I’m all for it but I think we all know what will happen their end up getting nerfed and become totally useless.


Also I think a lot of people are stuck in the past thinking it should be like original Mir but sadly as we all know in life things change don’t they if we’re going of tht then half these skills In game shouldn’t be there either.
 
Yeah and that’s super nice I will give you that you you put time and effort into making tht kit and you easily go smash most things in tht but also as you say it’s more of a ds cave kit.

So when you go normal caves these pets become essential especially if you haven’t got the defences for it so will whizz become restricted to using ds caves only ?. when I’m in grps pets are not needed I don’t use my pets if I’m in a grp I’ll just Tt for pet timer then rejoin them they just get in the way otherwise but solo they are.

Now if wiz’s got a buff so we can stack 2k mc without having to worry to much about our defences I’m all for it but I think we all know what will happen their end up getting nerfed and become totally useless.


Also I think a lot of people are stuck in the past thinking it should be like original Mir but sadly as we all know in life things change don’t they if we’re going of tht then half these skills In game shouldn’t be there either.
Holy hell, are you off the weed or did I hit my head?

First sensible and well written thing I've ever seen from you

Here's to a bright future 🤣
 
What we really need is an ice version of COP. 2 wizzies levelling together casting that alternately to keep mobs frozen would alleviate the need for high HP. I'm thinking back to the days of t-storming lures in PT, so satisfying when you get the timing right!

that was a totally different game to arcadia that was SO easy 2 hits from wizard thunderstorm flinch locked all mobs so wiz took zero damage, basically no ranged mobs (the ranged were about 1% of the map) so wiz had nothing to worry about. Arcadia is full of ranged and more often than not they hit very very hard.

Honestly. What pets are there at level 190? It's like they all fell off the planet. I know crypt witches aren't tamable anymore, but what other pets are there other then bdp pets?

Are there any non super mobs to tame at 190?

No, still seems to be rdd/bdp are best pets.

wiz do need op pets as they kinda useless bossing around without it.
solo lvling is useless too, if wiz no pet especially in st.
in pk wiz is the weakest so nvm..
if there a changes,i think it needs to bring back wiches to be tameable agen so its easy access to get pets to 190 wizzes that cant able to get pets without the group clearing all thru the way to f4 in bdp
Completely disagree, before you joined this server (and before OP pets), pets were not a necessity for wizz, Wizz were labelled OP at the time, there was actually a campaign from warriors to nerf wizz as out the top 20 players on server 3/4 of them were wizz... wizz did get nerfed, I was coming up at the time as a wizz and we levelled quick, could kill most bosses solo that the other classes could (if we were clever but at an obvious disadventage usually took 3-4 times a long)

PVP we were a force to be reckoned with though 2 wizz doing COP would rev and kill anyone, now our best pvp skill (still cop) doesnt do much.

What you're implying here is you're just too lazy to get the kit u need and runes and wanting to be on par with the oldest players in the server in a blink of an eye. Who says u need to spend $750? Runes are ingame from bosses/sub if u are patient enough.

Ivan, this comment is fucked too, im back ingame 5ish months, killing bosses doing epics, arenas bdp/rdd guild hunts, solo hunts etc etc etc, I still have not in 5months made 1 single full rune of any kind so putting the work in is not paying off, iv had several left over full runes from years ago but years ago they were fucking easy to make.

Full runes 5 years ago used to drop for me from such mobs as ikuturso, 4tails, irenastormcaller, the timber mob in dark wood... lol... what drops them now? Havnt seen a single one.

Easter event I was able to fully kit all my chars with maxed runes and had a store full of them left over, so did every other player inagme.

Im an old player on this game, runeing kit is next to impossible.

Sorry but if you take these pets away we are finshed yes there’s other pets. But have you ever took pets from normal caves to somewhere like st or cata or consumed souls ? They get destroyed your end spending most the time looking for pets
I know cos I tried use them before honestly the only pets tht can actually last you is them rdd/bdp pets. Don’t get me wrong I do find it annoying how we do have to rely on them but they are needed.

Also let’s starting looking at the pve side both Tao and warrior are now hitting 2k dc sc comfortable now name me 1 wizz who walks round with over 2000mc? Take them away bosses killing mobs become a joke. So we could boost wiz dmg but we all know how tht will end “wiz to op” so then their get nerfed and wizz become pointless.

I really don’t see any compromise here that’s going to work just leave it at it is imo.

Maybe not, take away pets DC, keep their health and defence so they can absorb damage, and increase the wiz characters actual damage a bloody lot. Why do we need pets? 5 years ago wizz could clear a large lure in absolutely any map in seconds without pets, they could kill any boss that a warrior or tao could solo in about x3/x4 the time they could... that was amicable compromise to everyone to wizz levelling a little faster.

Now wiz cannot clear champs in high lvl maps and have no hope in keeping up with war/tao in the boss run.

In my exp kit I have 2100 MC, it's not even high level stuff, anyone can make kit like that pretty cheaply. With some effort I reckon 2500 MC is possible. Got no HP on it though, so is only for sz caves cos obviously can't pvp in that kit. But mobs die very fast even without pets, can kill bosses fast in that kit too. Really I only find pets are essential to kill stuff for me so I can wear my defence kit, otherwise I'd be very vulnerable to pk

Maybe the answer is more sz hunting areas, then wiz won't be so pressured into being so defence focused. A wiz with kit focused on damage can be fun to play

Your idea of pretty cheaply is not in line with the common player.
You are one of the highest lvl wiz ingame and likely top 5 wealthiest players, and as such have almost unlimited resources behind you, your opinion on this topic is very skewered so should be disregarded entirely.
 
I don’t know who you are maxiburn but some of your comment brings back memories for me. Like when Speed79, SeeMa and Gideon were the top levels at around 146, it was brilliant. SeeMa (wiz) and Speed (ware) would have good pvp battles and you just never knew who would win back then, the game seemed more balanced and classes were a lot more powerful too, Tao were really good to have in a group back then, but they was nowhere near as powerful as they are now. Back then it was about getting a good holy kit for good strong heals and an ridiculously good Enhancer before it was capped at 30-60. Anyway going off topic, maybe we need Arcadia 2.0 fresh server 🧐
 
Having this 2 pages threads for pets, i shall add something too...

Item 1 - Merely suggestion that slaughter pets should be made individually. Create options by numbering all pets from 1 - 5, and those we want to get rid can be done instantly for example:- @slaughter1 , @slaughter2.... OR options like @untame1 @untame2.. to have them available for others to tame. Progressing wizz may have opportunities to tame higher level pets during BDP hunt once they can tame it. So, instant release is kinda needed. Imagine to kill 1 180 blue takes u around 1-2 minutes (alone) with merely Dragonbreak / Multistrike. My point is to have better opportunities in having good lvl of pets when its possible to be tamed.

Item 2 - Nice to have 2 champs + 3 supers.

Item 3 - Possible to make adjustment that can tame 5 lvl higher?

Item 4 - Make them more tameable by not turning them into pieces/dead while getting it. Mobs turned RED (confused) has chances to be dead easily.
 
Ivan, this comment is fucked too, im back ingame 5ish months, killing bosses doing epics, arenas bdp/rdd guild hunts, solo hunts etc etc etc, I still have not in 5months made 1 single full rune of any kind so putting the work in is not paying off, iv had several left over full runes from years ago but years ago they were fucking easy to make.

Full runes 5 years ago used to drop for me from such mobs as ikuturso, 4tails, irenastormcaller, the timber mob in dark wood... lol... what drops them now? Havnt seen a single one.

Easter event I was able to fully kit all my chars with maxed runes and had a store full of them left over, so did every other player inagme.

Im an old player on this game, runeing kit is next to impossible.
Yes they still do drop i've had few full runes (DC MC SC) dropped for me from sub, but its very very very rare. Listen, things changed, the mechanics of this game now is to make u grind and grind, even im at lost as to how i'm gonna re-kit with the new +15 runes its gonna take forever, but i thought i'll eventually make it somehow, yea ofc i'm like the rest of u, wanting to have it fully runed with the new +15's in maybe 1-2 weeks but that is just impossible. Either u grind or u search the market.

Ima tell u with like 2 hours of rotating boss/sub yesterday i've already got few DC(XS)'s & S drop, few HP(XS) & S drop, with this rate it is still acceptable, maybe you're not trying hard enough.

One thing i can only guess why runes are so rare that its coz GM wants to control the economy of the server, u get too easy runes dropping here and there nothing feels like very valuable anymore, and players have some leftover in store like u said, people would be hoarding it and the next item that releases they would be able to fully kit it in a matter of seconds, there's no market for runes, it won't be fun anymore. This is just what i think, i don't know about u all. =)
 
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