From reading the forums it seems participating in a legit guild war adversely effects their character's karma. Where karma really should only be factored in open world pvp, not wars.
Announcement Reboot for Bank Holiday Event and Karma Fixes
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My wiz was perfect karma before war on Sunday. Spent an hour defending our castles and now ID scrolls cost me 1.06 mill instead of 900k. Gonna take a week of solid hunting to get it back down, then there will be another war to bust it again :/
That's ridiculous mate, it seems wrong to be penalised for defending/attacking castles. I love wars so my character karma would never be glowing and I need all the luck I can get lol
CizWar
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It is because i was the only one who was getting benefits from karma so GM bring the whole server to get the benefits of low karma so enjoy everyone i have enjoyed alot
PopCornChongElla
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I don’t like how PK is being discouraged 
I only really enjoy the PVP aspect of the game, I level and kit and donate for GG so I can compete in player vs player.. all of these new factors which punish this type of play makes me not wanna log or spend my hard earned cash to buy GG. Please can we have a rethink? I feel like the essence of Mir is disappearing to cater for Karen’s. FO Karen’s stop changing my beloved game, I’ve been out spending my dollars partying instead, not good for my health. Please fix asap so I can hermit again. My input 
I only really enjoy the PVP aspect of the game, I level and kit and donate for GG so I can compete in player vs player.. all of these new factors which punish this type of play makes me not wanna log or spend my hard earned cash to buy GG. Please can we have a rethink? I feel like the essence of Mir is disappearing to cater for Karen’s. FO Karen’s stop changing my beloved game, I’ve been out spending my dollars partying instead, not good for my health. Please fix asap so I can hermit again. My input
CizWar
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Man you win my heart really appreciate your comment no one tell the truth like you did i tried alot but because of my 50/50 english i couldn’t next time i will dm youI don’t like how PK is being discouraged
Changes to the map system for those with low Karma are very much welcome. A little bit of inconvenience for those who don't give a stuff about anyone else. This is a bad thing?
Plus, certain players have already posted how they intend on circumventing this 'inconvenience' so its not really that much of an issue after all, is it?
I would suspect that the war Karma thing is a different matter. I can't see that this a deliberate change on the part of the GM, more The Law of unintended consequence or Murphys Law.
It would be nice for GM to confirm one way or the other tho'.
If it is intended then that's a major change that will potentially be the death of an aspect of the game that both types of player seem to participate in (other than those that are proper PvE).
Plus, certain players have already posted how they intend on circumventing this 'inconvenience' so its not really that much of an issue after all, is it?
I would suspect that the war Karma thing is a different matter. I can't see that this a deliberate change on the part of the GM, more The Law of unintended consequence or Murphys Law.
It would be nice for GM to confirm one way or the other tho'.
If it is intended then that's a major change that will potentially be the death of an aspect of the game that both types of player seem to participate in (other than those that are proper PvE).
PopCornChongElla
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Very much welcome, to yourself... it is subjective. Not giving a stuff about anyone else? It's a game and it's always been the way in which it has been played. Its funny how people who don't really put much in terms of financial support are the ones who wish to change it's mechanics.
Granted, there is a work-around to the new map view but if I am wanting to hunt down Legacy and iFly to PK them .. it is time sensitive.. I can't be recalling an alt everytime i wish to check a map, afterall not all maps have recall enabled.
Not here for an ongoing war of words with you or anyone else, I'm just putting in my two-cents, which as a player of over 10 years, and investor of thousands of £, I am fully entitled to.
I am pro PK, and would prefer the server to move in the other direction and encourage this type of play rather discouraging it. There is plenty of opportunity for the boring people (lolz - opinion) to hunt in safe maps without implementing world-wide mechanisms to deter PVP.
Andy I bid that you stop this foolishness re Karma and PK prohibition <3
Much love,
Joseph x
CizWar
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Wish i can like this post 50times the truth is after the karma thing anyone can clearly see how much active players are there it seems the downfall of the server you can’t just bring these game changing updates for some peoples instead look at the other side how other players playing the game what if pk players stop playing the game after grinding there arses and because of this karma thing drop most of there OP iteams and leave the server who gonna play those pve if they do till when lots of questions like this but seems like no one is understanding the situation
I can see both sides of it, I understand there are a lot of pro-pk people, some put a lot of money in, some don't. But from Andy's perspective he will see a number of pve players who have put money in then quit because they feel harassed by pk
It's like fishermen catching too many fish then complaining that there's no fish left, then complaining again when restrictions on how much fish they can catch get introduced.
The community has had plenty opportunity to regulate itself, and be reasonable, but it's all been spoiled by a small handful of players who relentlessly hunt down players who have no desire to be involved in pvp. It doesn't have to black and white, nobody is saying don't pk. But when I see valued members of the community who have put a lot of time and money in abandoning the game because some individuals are determined to ruin their experience, that's not self regulation at all, that's just bullying.
At the end of the day, there's no perfect solution one-size-fits-all answer to make everyone happy, but the changes have been made with the intention to reduce that kind of behaviour. It's unfortunately gone too far and is negatively affecting a lot more people than deserve it, so I definitely think some adjustments are needed which I do hope GM is looking into closely.
That said, if the finger needs pointed at anyone for sending the server in this direction, it's the people who gain pleasure from ruining other people's fun. If pkers fight other pkers then none of this would happen, nobody wants to discourage that. And the occasional pk on someone you find while out hunting, fair enough. But that's not what happens. It's the relentless harassment of pve players that's the problem. The people I'm talking about know who they are. They are the ones to blame here. The over-fishers.
It's like fishermen catching too many fish then complaining that there's no fish left, then complaining again when restrictions on how much fish they can catch get introduced.
The community has had plenty opportunity to regulate itself, and be reasonable, but it's all been spoiled by a small handful of players who relentlessly hunt down players who have no desire to be involved in pvp. It doesn't have to black and white, nobody is saying don't pk. But when I see valued members of the community who have put a lot of time and money in abandoning the game because some individuals are determined to ruin their experience, that's not self regulation at all, that's just bullying.
At the end of the day, there's no perfect solution one-size-fits-all answer to make everyone happy, but the changes have been made with the intention to reduce that kind of behaviour. It's unfortunately gone too far and is negatively affecting a lot more people than deserve it, so I definitely think some adjustments are needed which I do hope GM is looking into closely.
That said, if the finger needs pointed at anyone for sending the server in this direction, it's the people who gain pleasure from ruining other people's fun. If pkers fight other pkers then none of this would happen, nobody wants to discourage that. And the occasional pk on someone you find while out hunting, fair enough. But that's not what happens. It's the relentless harassment of pve players that's the problem. The people I'm talking about know who they are. They are the ones to blame here. The over-fishers.
Not sure if you are making an assumption that I haven't donated in the past or it is just a comment.
As a long time player I too have an opportunity to have a voice.
I didn't really advocate for the changes to maps via Karma but I think that doing something about those determined to ruin another's game is not a bad thing. I see PvE as an opportunity to level and build kit, wars an opportunity to PvP. Wouldn't you rather a fair, even fight?
You say you have spent £1,000's. I haven't. I wouldn't. I couldn't. I have, however, spent more on this 'game' than any other game I have played in the past and yet, it is not enough.
I would suggest you are in a minority of players prepared to spend multiple £1,000's. If you want the game to thrive you have to encourage a wider player base. One that doesn't come to a reluctant conclusion that leaving is the only way forward.
As a long time player I too have an opportunity to have a voice.
I didn't really advocate for the changes to maps via Karma but I think that doing something about those determined to ruin another's game is not a bad thing. I see PvE as an opportunity to level and build kit, wars an opportunity to PvP. Wouldn't you rather a fair, even fight?
You say you have spent £1,000's. I haven't. I wouldn't. I couldn't. I have, however, spent more on this 'game' than any other game I have played in the past and yet, it is not enough.
I would suggest you are in a minority of players prepared to spend multiple £1,000's. If you want the game to thrive you have to encourage a wider player base. One that doesn't come to a reluctant conclusion that leaving is the only way forward.
Gritt
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I had 4 friends play MIR when Skull Island was 1st introduced
1 stopped soon after as felt the Server was to far ahead for catching up
2 left due to getting to around 165/170 mark and found being pked constantly when trying to get lvl books at biles etc by same people
Also lack of skills equipment and time to colllect materials etc they couldn’t or wouldn’t invest more time to the game
The 4th played until last Xmas but has now quit due to lack of intrest and questing issues etc
Pking of lower levels ruins the server if people like SA7ID wants to get a iunruned lvl 167 weapon from a lvl 171 player so be it
But on that same note if that player quits due to PK harassment etc then it’s the server that suffers long term …..
1 stopped soon after as felt the Server was to far ahead for catching up
2 left due to getting to around 165/170 mark and found being pked constantly when trying to get lvl books at biles etc by same people
Also lack of skills equipment and time to colllect materials etc they couldn’t or wouldn’t invest more time to the game
The 4th played until last Xmas but has now quit due to lack of intrest and questing issues etc
Pking of lower levels ruins the server if people like SA7ID wants to get a iunruned lvl 167 weapon from a lvl 171 player so be it
But on that same note if that player quits due to PK harassment etc then it’s the server that suffers long term …..
You do know that PvE players also grind kit, right?
Kit that might not be quite as OP as yours, but you are quite happy to take from them having killed them after a nano second of interaction?
Arma
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While I thankfully haven't been the target of any PvP thus far I will say I do live in somewhat fear of it.
The kit I have is basically my only one and losing any of it would hurt a lot. Seeing how people also overprice pretty much all items as well it would be impossible for me to get it back, or if I could afford it, set me back massively for affording any future gear.
I wouldn't want people to stop doing PvP. Wars are fun even just to watch and the rivalry between guilds promotes (hopefully) friendly pvp and hunting of each other.
Random idea would it be possible to set guilds as Rivals to each other? Meaning Karma isn't effected by PvP if you fight or kill anyone from a Rival guild. Not sure how exactly it would work exactly but something like that would still allow people to hunt and PvP, while also hopefully leaving out the people who wish to PvE. (Maybe have some kind of system to encourage PvP guilds to do this against each other)
In my mind people who enjoy PvP like the challenge of fighting someone with the risk of losing as well as winning. Those who attack lower level who don't stand a chance of fighting back are cowards and bullies.
(Maybe have a way for guildless players to sign up for this Rival based pvp as well so they aren't excluded although I think most solo's wouldn't want to be involved)
The kit I have is basically my only one and losing any of it would hurt a lot. Seeing how people also overprice pretty much all items as well it would be impossible for me to get it back, or if I could afford it, set me back massively for affording any future gear.
I wouldn't want people to stop doing PvP. Wars are fun even just to watch and the rivalry between guilds promotes (hopefully) friendly pvp and hunting of each other.
Random idea would it be possible to set guilds as Rivals to each other? Meaning Karma isn't effected by PvP if you fight or kill anyone from a Rival guild. Not sure how exactly it would work exactly but something like that would still allow people to hunt and PvP, while also hopefully leaving out the people who wish to PvE. (Maybe have some kind of system to encourage PvP guilds to do this against each other)
In my mind people who enjoy PvP like the challenge of fighting someone with the risk of losing as well as winning. Those who attack lower level who don't stand a chance of fighting back are cowards and bullies.
(Maybe have a way for guildless players to sign up for this Rival based pvp as well so they aren't excluded although I think most solo's wouldn't want to be involved)
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It's definitely about getting the correct balance isn't it.
I don't mind a PKer lurking around the corner it does add a little bit of excitement however sometimes it's all the time, me and a guilty was killing a boss, killing it would have been a big achievement for us because it was blue and we was struggling with it but getting there. Just before it was about to die a PKer, not mentioning any names, comes in and straight away goes to attack us stealing the boss. So for us 2 that was not exciting. I too have spend some money on the game not as much as others but a bit here and there and more than any other game.
It's just about striking the right balance.
On the easter event you could go to ways through the caves, 1 pker camped 1 side of the cave and it wasn't even a fair fight.
Again same pker 1 hit me to death instantly before I even knew what was happening. When they are 30 levels above its just plain bullying really I get they get a kick out of it and that's how they enjoy the game, but think it also needs to be fair.
Anyway I'm still enjoying the game regardless if there is pkers I just wish they would leave me alone to do my thing!
The 'fear' of PK is great. Keeps you on your toes.
Some players just like PK. Fair play to them. The game allows it.
Some, of course, push this. They turn what is an 'enjoyable' part of the game (the chance of a random encounter) into virtual stalking.
You are very correct to identify that MIR is heavily kit based.
It takes far too long, costs far too much to replace a good item. It wasn't always like this.
Low karma should also burn duras faster
When I first got hunted down and pked. The next time I got hunted down I could literally feel my blood pressure going through the roof
It's not the end of the world for most players, but like has been said here already, you get stalked, you get bosses stolen they just want for you to start on the boss then fly in and attack you while your already battling low health. It's just cowards tactics really and some have taken it too far bullying really and so now pkers are getting punished.
I'd imagine there is far more people who don't pk spending money than those that do.
Striking the right balance
