I would highly recommend that you stop trading your GameGold to other players for crafting materials at such high prices and instead use your own crafting materials from playing the game through bossing and monster killing
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I would highly recommend that you stop trading your GameGold to other players for crafting materials at such high prices and instead use your own crafting materials from playing the game through bossing and monster killing
That was my tao C289 this morning . The essence was lvl 164 and 9* i think. The design was 160 and 5* used on my HCHiogi which I had re-set.
I don’t think you understand how important the upgrade facility Is to your server.
The main things that keep people playing a Mir server is the upgrading of items and kit building. Most Mir servers keep people addicted with gems/orbs, weapon refining and the hunt to get to luck 100%.
The only addictive aspect to this game is the upgrading facility. It should work properly.
There is a reason I pay the prices I do for materials. It’s a supply and demand scenario. There is a minimal amount of evilmir weapons ingame and the drop rate seems to have been nerfed over the last two months. That in turn massively increases the prices of these materials. Then secondly there’s only a 50% chance of getting a design. Therefore the prices are very expensive because they are so rare.
YOU told us in you cryptic patch notes that these upgrades are now easy and much more likely to work. So I took your advice and finally bought some of the materials and had FIVE goes. not one or two. FIVE ATTEMPTS. Went red 4/5 times.
3/4 when Id with a 1mill scroll went 1star
1/4 went 4stars with added 2% pdi
The materials were all good 40% or higher
It’s not fair however you try to justify it. For once say ok you didn’t deserve this!!!
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Please go ingame and do some upgrades then come back and reply
Thanks. I may have this wrong as its been difficult to search however it seems the ingredients were from originally 162 items (salvaged after the update) and that you used a scroll of wisdom. I think you said in a previous post that the weapon came out 5 star? You could certainly have expected better - from that I would assume that you hit the bottom of the RNG pile there sadly. Particularly with stat distribution since the star system is more of a visual status than an actual guide to X is better than Y sort of thing
Anyway there's clearly some issues here that need some serious thought. We can surely do a better job for you all
Thanks
Scenario is like this
You sell someone your car and they pay you with counterfeit money but neither of you know the moneys fake.
You take some of your money (which you think is real) and go buy a bag of weed.
Drug dealer realizes it’s fake after you give it to him and kicks the shit out of you, keeps the fake money, takes the weed back but let’s you keep the smallest nug imaginable
You sell someone your car and they pay you with counterfeit money but neither of you know the moneys fake.
You take some of your money (which you think is real) and go buy a bag of weed.
Drug dealer realizes it’s fake after you give it to him and kicks the shit out of you, keeps the fake money, takes the weed back but let’s you keep the smallest nug imaginable
Nastyybynature
Newby
I Have listened to majority of your points throughout this thread, Now im new to this game, Played for 4 months if that, which is barely anything so i agree or understand everything youve said until this one sentence.
Previous you pointed out that possibly my failiure is due to not even understanding properly the original crafting mechanics, fair enough.
But On my Level 146 eclipse armour Unique with +5mc 2 star item. i used a 149 legendary armour design with 0.51slag and a essence which was Exceptional 50% and quality 151% .
I then used a 900k scroll ( after having sucessful Epic rolls prior on practice crafting lower level items ) and My eclipse armour came out worse with No added stats and was again, Uniqe.
Thats something wrong there surely... or am i raging for nothing D:
I don't think it was me that said you didn't understand the crafting was it? I've looked back and can't see.
However I did see that you are following a "3 level guideline". I'm no expert at crafting but I've never heard of a 3 lvl guideline. There's more to it and it's a game of risk but I would always try and use Essence and Design that are a few lvl above the item. People say add the two qualities and divide it by 2 and it should still be higher than the item you are crafting.
By what you've said about your eclipse armour I would have expected it to work but I don't really know how the RNG works and it seams like a lot of people are "hitting the bottom of the pile".
Basically it's a gamble and the odds are probably not in your favour
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Nastyybynature
Newby
it was more of a direct message to Scorp sorry mate not sure why i clicked on your message to quote, However when is say 3 level guide line i just meant i tend to use designs/essence 3 levels above as thats just what ive been told, Like ive said before ive no idea how the old system really worked i just got lucky on a lot of my items.
But i wrote out exactly how i did my crafting and unless ive done summet majorly wrong, i know before the update that craft i did should of been exceptional or better, it would of NEVER been unique no matter how bottom of the pile / unlucky i got.
Then 10 level above the item thing is no longer relevant
Thought i'd provide some insight - might help the community, or help Scorp on any changes he intends to make. If required at all.
Changes that have been made clearly are:
1. Slight tweak on id'ing from monster drops. Overall i've seen a slightly improved overall outcome. But nothing materially changed here.
2. Significant tweak on salvaging. The levels the item can drop when changing into a design or essence have not been as vast since the update. More interestingly, there is now a chance that the salvage will increase the star rating / quality level on the design or essense. I have had multiple instances where 5/6 star items with barely any addiitonal states turn out to be Artefact 90%+ quality essences. Whilst this is a nice bonus - I think it might need tweaking down slightly. This is compounded by point 3 and perhaps why people are disgruntled. What is also new, is that salvaging a high (exceptional Artefact for example) item can produce a 100%+ quality essence. I've seen multiple examples of 108/112%. This in theory means that the total achievable combined quality is now higher than before. Leading on to point 3.
3. The ingredients used (combined quality level) and the targets needed to create a Artefact item seem to have changed. Prior to reboot, there was a pretty much sure way of guaranteeing Artefact upgrades (what stat you get was mostly RNG) but spread could be controlled. There is, from what I can tell over limited examples since reboot a slightly higher RNG element within the calculation now. Also the targets I believe have now generally increased to hit the desired outcomes. This however is now more easily achieved than it was before.
4. Finally, the required combined level to upgrade has been tweaked down. Prior to upgrade you would need for example on a Celestial item, combined levels of roughly 328 to get a successful upgrade (i.e a 160 design and 168 essence). Now it is clear that aslong as the total levels exceed the item level it generally works. i.e. using a 160 design and 161 essence.
Therefore in summary... because you are now receiving generally, higher level salvages and higher quality essnese / design than before, and that you dont need as high essense or design to make the upgrade you want, in theory the number of upgrades available should be higher. People will be able to hunt in the areas designated for their level and use the salvaging of those items to upgrade the same level items. Rather than having to hunt in higher caves to get the design you need.
It clearly needs some more investigating but for me thats part of the fun. I could knock out Artefact after Artefact item in old world - what fun is that? Now i have something new to test.
One ask though - let us know if you do intend to change further as ill wait to do more testing
I'll kindly share my results with those who are interested.
Changes that have been made clearly are:
1. Slight tweak on id'ing from monster drops. Overall i've seen a slightly improved overall outcome. But nothing materially changed here.
2. Significant tweak on salvaging. The levels the item can drop when changing into a design or essence have not been as vast since the update. More interestingly, there is now a chance that the salvage will increase the star rating / quality level on the design or essense. I have had multiple instances where 5/6 star items with barely any addiitonal states turn out to be Artefact 90%+ quality essences. Whilst this is a nice bonus - I think it might need tweaking down slightly. This is compounded by point 3 and perhaps why people are disgruntled. What is also new, is that salvaging a high (exceptional Artefact for example) item can produce a 100%+ quality essence. I've seen multiple examples of 108/112%. This in theory means that the total achievable combined quality is now higher than before. Leading on to point 3.
3. The ingredients used (combined quality level) and the targets needed to create a Artefact item seem to have changed. Prior to reboot, there was a pretty much sure way of guaranteeing Artefact upgrades (what stat you get was mostly RNG) but spread could be controlled. There is, from what I can tell over limited examples since reboot a slightly higher RNG element within the calculation now. Also the targets I believe have now generally increased to hit the desired outcomes. This however is now more easily achieved than it was before.
4. Finally, the required combined level to upgrade has been tweaked down. Prior to upgrade you would need for example on a Celestial item, combined levels of roughly 328 to get a successful upgrade (i.e a 160 design and 168 essence). Now it is clear that aslong as the total levels exceed the item level it generally works. i.e. using a 160 design and 161 essence.
Therefore in summary... because you are now receiving generally, higher level salvages and higher quality essnese / design than before, and that you dont need as high essense or design to make the upgrade you want, in theory the number of upgrades available should be higher. People will be able to hunt in the areas designated for their level and use the salvaging of those items to upgrade the same level items. Rather than having to hunt in higher caves to get the design you need.
It clearly needs some more investigating but for me thats part of the fun. I could knock out Artefact after Artefact item in old world - what fun is that? Now i have something new to test.
One ask though - let us know if you do intend to change further as ill wait to do more testing
I'll kindly share my results with those who are interested.
5starstore
Active Member
@Sensoku spot on
jinjianlong
Newby
speaking from my own experience. yes you can get good results from salvage like you can get legendary essense or designs from 40ish purity kits. BUT the identifying is a huge mess.
before update, i used to make a lot of good stuffs with 40% ish purity des and essense. the idea was if you always used the most expensive scroll, you'd get at worst 4 star kits as a result. NOW, that's not the case anymore, i've used legendary des and essence to only make a excetional or at best surpreme stuffs. before update, combination of des and ess almost certain guarantees a artefact. Now, you all can say whatever you want. YOU think this, you dont think that, blah blah blah. it doesn't matter. but if you want some truth. open your eyes. goldbar price has dropped to 30 now. wanna know why. oh i'll explain this for you, cuz i'm nice and have a better understanding of the game. the high end, the des and ess and gold buyers like darkstyle once they realized their investment into these things is totally a waste of time. they stop buying. whoever refine kits a lot will notice the change. they are not retards. once they find out, they will quit buying stuffs. and server will be flooded with those high quality ess and des that no one buys, and gold too. the gold price will keep dropping as it will lose the biggest part of the consumer. and soon the server economy will collapse. now you still arguing if the updated upgrade system is working fine or nah. I'm ten steps ahead of ya. Thank me later.
before update, i used to make a lot of good stuffs with 40% ish purity des and essense. the idea was if you always used the most expensive scroll, you'd get at worst 4 star kits as a result. NOW, that's not the case anymore, i've used legendary des and essence to only make a excetional or at best surpreme stuffs. before update, combination of des and ess almost certain guarantees a artefact. Now, you all can say whatever you want. YOU think this, you dont think that, blah blah blah. it doesn't matter. but if you want some truth. open your eyes. goldbar price has dropped to 30 now. wanna know why. oh i'll explain this for you, cuz i'm nice and have a better understanding of the game. the high end, the des and ess and gold buyers like darkstyle once they realized their investment into these things is totally a waste of time. they stop buying. whoever refine kits a lot will notice the change. they are not retards. once they find out, they will quit buying stuffs. and server will be flooded with those high quality ess and des that no one buys, and gold too. the gold price will keep dropping as it will lose the biggest part of the consumer. and soon the server economy will collapse. now you still arguing if the updated upgrade system is working fine or nah. I'm ten steps ahead of ya. Thank me later.
I think the GG price is dropping due to the amount of gold in game which is now much easier to make through the GP caves.
Prob because I’m not buying 20 gold bars a day atm
Couldn’t agree more, the amount of gold u can farm in there is insane. Please don’t nerf, just increase the gp needed for it As I still don’t think they sink enough gp
zad48231
Leading Contributor
You're so very wrong. ID scrolls are not the main thing people buy gold bars for. ID scrolls are very cheap compared to most things that need gold at higher level such as repairs, sockets, pots etc.
With your "oh i'll explain this for you, cuz i'm nice and have a better understanding of the game" statement I thought oh I like this guy he sounds a lot like me, but then I realised most of what you are saying is nonsense lol
Which of the "high end gold buyers" have you spoken to and determined that they are buying less?
jinjianlong
Newby
Nonsense huh? so you are saying you are fucking paying your 80% wealth to repair your fucking kits when you don't use a toughenoil at all when you farm which is worth only 2mill in terms of gold whereas your repair bill for 3 hrs straight farming could be way over 20mils given you are on your cele and hc set. who is the nonsense here. oh btw, most ppl have alrdy pointed out that you have a fucking attitude problem. we as players reflect problems that we cannot handle to gm and devs here so they can get them fixed. what is your fucking stand to defend them and insult everybody's input here? who the fuck are you? stop being a moron and beg for insult man you are worthless. you are saying i'm bsing? ok, come on tell what are the most expensive stuffs in game? pots? repair bills? wtf haven't you seen cele pieces easily go for over thousands of gg? what's the value diff between a cele piece with good stats and bad stats? way over thousand ggs. oh you tell me refining does not cost much? you have a brain? hahahaha you gave me a good laugh man. who are you trying to fool around? you don't have to drag others to your retarded lvl when you don't understand things, or try to play your own nasty game. nobody buys your shit all after all except your asslickers. Now quote yourself and sleep with your stupidity and foolishness pls. cannot take your shit anymore.
Using a large number of swear words in a posts isn’t big or clever, in fact it will just make the fine people of this server think less of you