challenges set to equal playing field

[UnKnownAngel]

At the end of the day if all ppl agreed that ely orbs are game changer how you think it will be easy to get.
It's already ez enough to see new chars at lvl 190+ you can't expect to have end game lvl, kit and ely orbs in no time.
If you're going for the top dmg/ress you need to put effort into it.
And all of us seen it happen with the past 2 events Elysian items are more common than HC.
I remember ppl grind hard for elys and we found a way to complain about how drop rates are so low.
With the amount of drops in the past events ppl still complain that it's too easy and the market is dead.
If we had an easier way to have Elysian ore you will see ppl get bored fast.
I totally agree it gives an edge in pk/wars and that's why it ain't easily obtained, but it can be done to rev/kill ely orbed chars.
No matter how hard scorp try to balance, some will always find a way to complain.
Just enjoy the game, it has been changed and new quests content are being added.
And do not expect to have full upgraded kits and ely orbs easy as those are supposed to be end game gear.

I don't know your in-game character but I have quickly noticed your change of tone the minute ElysianOre is added to KillQuota quest. You are scared of a level playing field and it shows.

You think paying 5gg per bribe is "easy" to get an ElysianOrb? It requires what, 71 ElysianOre to make an XL? 355gg plus the time to grind, per orb, you think that is easy? That is not easy my friend, that is realistic and in-line with every other upgrade quest. A game shop value of over £30 per orb if grinded, across 10 items, £300 per character. Plus Elysian armour/weapon quest upgrades. It would make the game more equal and bring in extra income to help keep the servers updates coming. I think that is fair, and I can't wait to see if it is implemented. ElysianOrbs have become an essential upgrade and not a luxury.

I think we are coming to the end of ElysianOrb now, so lets just have it more accessible and see what happens.

 

[luka]

People should have listened to me in the first place.

When ely ores were very rare and hard to get, casual players complained that they got none while 24/7 grinders could make an orb in 3-6 months

People demanded they were made more common and easier to get

I warned that such a change would only benefit the 24/7 players because they would get 5x as many and max out their kits and the casual players would still get zero because they have no way to compete for them

Guess what happened... exactly that

Epic caves and BDP/RDD are possible but you need to grind them and do repetitive hunts every single day and gain nothing but ely ores. Casual players simply can't do that consistently, and aren't allowed access to them in the weekly challenges

I ground it out hard when ely ores were new, I worked very hard, I would run solo and outpace everyone at the weekly challenges and I'd do BDP solo. I made I can't even remember how many orbs, I've fully upgraded 1 ely armour and I think I have used maybe 3 or 4 orbs on my kit. Epic caves helped a bit but 90% of my ores came from solo hunts. That was before everything was made easier and rates were increased.

Now? I play very casual, and I accept that I will never get any more. I will just be satisfied with the kit that I have. But that leaves me with the questions of what am I aiming for when I log in? The only things that would benefit me are ely ores and this new kit that I won't be allowed anywhere near because if I make any attempt I will face pk with people who I can't do any damage to.

Very good point, but the changes been made to stop ppl from locking BDP all day, at your kit and experience in game you can get any two player and do your run for ore easy, Zade you been doing it solo. It's hard now to solo as you can't afk. But I always get 2-3 mid lvl taos and clear it and split the ore.
again ore shouldn't be so easy to farm.
I know ppl doing good with ely upgrades and collecting ores by just doing 2 guild epic every week.

 

[luka]

I don't know your in-game character but I have quickly noticed your change of tone the minute ElysianOre is added to KillQuota quest. You are scared of a level playing field and it shows.

You think paying 5gg per bribe is "easy" to get an ElysianOrb? It requires what, 71 ElysianOre to make an XL? 355gg plus the time to grind, per orb, you think that is easy? That is not easy my friend, that is realistic and in-line with every other upgrade quest. A game shop value of over £30 per orb if grinded, across 10 items, £300 per character. Plus Elysian armour/weapon quest upgrades. It would make the game more equal and bring in extra income to help keep the servers updates coming. I think that is fair, and I can't wait to see if it is implemented. ElysianOrbs have become an essential upgrade and not a luxury.

I think we are coming to the end of ElysianOrb now, so lets just have it more accessible and see what happens.

Why would I be scared if ore is added to kill quota.
I would totally like to have some extra ore off daily quests.
And I'm sure any new updates will benefit all.
All I'm saying if you want to have some end game OP kit you have to put some time and effort in it, i guess you just want the easy way, you didn't even mention doing the kill quota you went the bribe way.

 

[luka]

Why would I be scared if ore is added to kill quota.
I would totally like to have some extra ore off daily quests.
And I'm sure any new updates will benefit all.
All I'm saying if you want to have some end game OP kit you have to put some time and effort in it, i guess you just want the easy way, you didn't even mention doing the kill quota you went the bribe way.

It's 81 for XL+ 50mill+ alu amulet and feather to make orb

 

[UnKnownAngel]

It's 81 for XL+ 50mill+ alu amulet and feather to make orb

KillQuota & Bribe is the same thing btw, the quest is Kill Quota and you can "bribe" the guy with 5gg to change which material you want to hunt for.

So 405gg then, plus the other parts you just mentioned. All it does is open up the ability to get ores for solo players, does it not?

 

[Kraken]

KillQuota & Bribe is the same thing btw, the quest is Kill Quota and you can "bribe" the guy with 5gg to change which material you want to hunt for.

So 405gg then, plus the other parts you just mentioned. All it does is open up the ability to get ores for solo players, does it not?

Would certainly be a change that as a casual player I would be behind. Though maybe need to consider a way that it couldn’t be exploited.

 

[luka]

KillQuota & Bribe is the same thing btw, the quest is Kill Quota and you can "bribe" the guy with 5gg to change which material you want to hunt for.

So 405gg then, plus the other parts you just mentioned. All it does is open up the ability to get ores for solo players, does it not?

Yes it would be good to have a chance for solo players but what would it do to ppl who grind ores, I guess it's the same as @zad48231 said grinders will have 5x more chance to get ore.
All I'm saying that only thing top lvls aim for now is hunting ore, and with update coming ppl will hunt new kit.
And I'm talking about daily players.
I would like to see ppl back in game, we went to the point that ppl just log for events and ask for easier ways to get stuff.
You are an old player and you seen how hard it was to get HC armour or weap back when those were end game kit. Ppl quit when they dropped those armours.
Just to make it clear I'm not scared of that kill quota thing it will benefit all, and goodluck to all with the new content coming

 

[UnKnownAngel]

Would certainly be a change that as a casual player I would be behind. Though maybe need to consider a way that it couldn’t be exploited.

Once somebody has 10 orbs added to their kit and fully upgraded elysian, which most already have, what is the worst that can happen by making more? They could keep spending to craft orbs and try to sell them for a profit and fool players, I suppose making orbs account bound would close that loop.

 

[Kraken]

Once somebody has 10 orbs added to their kit and fully upgraded elysian, which most already have, what is the worst that can happen by making more? They could keep spending to craft orbs and try to sell them for a profit and fool players, I suppose making orbs account bound would close that loop.

Yeah for sure, that’s what I was thinking. Making an industry out of it. But then if they are account bound that would help. Though I guess some people like to sell them.

Can’t please everyone.

But as a casual player who can’t always hunt full hunts I would welcome a way in which I could attain that kit. At the moment I’m okay with not being able to get it, just part of the game that’s inaccessible to me.

 

[UnKnownAngel]

Yes it would be good to have a chance for solo players but what would it do to ppl who grind ores, I guess it's the same as @zad48231 said grinders will have 5x more chance to get ore.
All I'm saying that only thing top lvls aim for now is hunting ore, and with update coming ppl will hunt new kit.
And I'm talking about daily players.
I would like to see ppl back in game, we went to the point that ppl just log for events and ask for easier ways to get stuff.
You are an old player and you seen how hard it was to get HC armour or weap back when those were end game kit. Ppl quit when they dropped those armours.
Just to make it clear I'm not scared of that kill quota thing it will benefit all, and goodluck to all with the new content coming

I'd like to see HC rare stuff again, like the new Arcadian set is going to be fun. I think ElysianOrbs would have been better not being added but since they already are, making them accessible on the quest seems to be the happy medium. Actually EpicOrbs are more what I think is suited better, they offer extra +3 on orbing kit which across your full gear can give a good edge, but not game-breaking like +5 resistance per item does.

Yeah for sure, that’s what I was thinking. Making an industry out of it. But then if they are account bound that would help. Though I guess some people like to sell them.

Can’t please everyone.

But as a casual player who can’t always hunt full hunts I would welcome a way in which I could attain that kit. At the moment I’m okay with not being able to get it, just part of the game that’s inaccessible to me.

It will be interesting to see what happens tomorrow, maybe they wont be added which I won't lose any sleep over.

 

[luka]

Once somebody has 10 orbs added to their kit and fully upgraded elysian, which most already have, what is the worst that can happen by making more? They could keep spending to craft orbs and try to sell them for a profit and fool players, I suppose making orbs account bound would close that loop.

Account bound won't solve it as you do not need to equip the item to add ely orb on.
Ppl would just pass items around to add orbs on, ppl already doing it with ely gems and sources, you pay someone to take ur items and do the upgrade on.
Ppl will always fine a work around

 

[ggggfv]

Instead of going round in circles we could just do as i suggested and make the daily events peace mode to give a more open playing field to those that want to obtain ores that way, problem solved.

 

[UnKnownAngel]

Account bound won't solve it as you do not need to equip the item to add ely orb on.
Ppl would just pass items around to add orbs on, ppl already doing it with ely gems and sources, you pay someone to take ur items and do the upgrade on.
Ppl will always fine a work around

Good point! I have done that myself with a Orc + Zuma upgrade lol

 

[Lool]

Pookies does not rev easy lol she does recalls and revs maybe once across a 3 hour war on a Sunday night, same as you really bud, ammar does rev a couple more times than that but got to understand he is playing a melee class and runs into a group of players and will successfully almost kill one each time whilst nobody able to do much damage to him due to his kit that he has worked hard to get. This guy @luka said people with max orb kit die, don't think I've ever seen that happen as often as the guy is making out.

Anyway you're all friends with ammar daniele, danieletao etc just go test how much damage they take without ely orbed kit and then again with a fresh kit.

Btw Dan, I am here because I enjoy playing the game with friends that also play it. Hopefully ElysianOre is added to the KillQuota quest. We will see if the tone changes after that.

I’ve already PvPed DaniTao and Dani before when I was in IMMS, so I know better. I can confidently say that PvP is about skill, not kits. I still remember soloing three Taos in LMS Zade, Para, and Pookies.

Also, Pookies is easier to revive than anyone, and Ammar just curses, and the job is done.

You need to join wars to truly understand how the system works.

Plus, I have about five orbs in my kit, I can fight anyone with any kit it all comes down to skill, not the gear.

 

[luka]

Instead of going round in circles we could just do as i suggested and make the daily events peace mode to give a more open playing field to those that want to obtain ores that way, problem solved.

Why not make all game safe zone and spread love

 

[zad48231]

I’ve already PvPed DaniTao and Dani before when I was in IMMS, so I know better. I can confidently say that PvP is about skill, not kits. I still remember soloing three Taos in LMS Zade, Para, and Pookies.

Also, Pookies is easier to revive than anyone, and Ammar just curses, and the job is done.

You need to join wars to truly understand how the system works.

Plus, I have about five orbs in my kit, I can fight anyone with any kit it all comes down to skill, not the gear.

You don't remember me and Caulifla in war? He stands in corner of the map on tao, keeping me healed and buffed, I stand in front of him on wiz. Whole guild could rain down on us and I had time to chat while standing tanking everyone. Did that for a long time it would take a lot to get us to move. Required zero skill on my part, literally stood there, it was all the kit.

 

[Lool]

You don't remember me and Caulifla in war? He stands in corner of the map on tao, keeping me healed and buffed, I stand in front of him on wiz. Whole guild could rain down on us and I had time to chat while standing tanking everyone. Did that for a long time it would take a lot to get us to move. Required zero skill on my part, literally stood there, it was all the kit.

So caulifla puri + heal means no debuffs not skills what's that lmao .

Even now if someone do like that u won't even rev him. Nothing have been changed.

But now days taos working on debuffs and hitting. Not like be4 helping wizzs.

At the end skills wins.

 

[ggggfv]

So caulifla puri + heal means no debuffs not skills what's that lmao .

Even now if someone do like that u won't even rev him. Nothing have been changed.

But now days taos working on debuffs and hitting. Not like be4 helping wizzs.

At the end skills wins.

Sorry but theres absolutely nothing skill-full about tanking your char to the max and running around like a headless chicken

 

[ggggfv]

Sorry but theres absolutely nothing skill-full about tanking your char to the max and running around like a headless chicken

Equally theres nothing skill-full about going toe to toe with a warrior you know you have superior stats over regarding defence.

 

[UnKnownAngel]

I’ve already PvPed DaniTao and Dani before when I was in IMMS, so I know better. I can confidently say that PvP is about skill, not kits. I still remember soloing three Taos in LMS Zade, Para, and Pookies.

Also, Pookies is easier to revive than anyone, and Ammar just curses, and the job is done.

You need to join wars to truly understand how the system works.

Plus, I have about five orbs in my kit, I can fight anyone with any kit it all comes down to skill, not the gear.

BTW mate when I do come to war I hardly ever rev on Bond - just can't do any dmg to the kit some skill-less people have