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I believe that if the GM removes Ely ore, people will still find something else to complain about. These days, we don’t have players we just have people who are good at typing.

It's like always GM do this or GM, please do that.

Mir people have always been like this.

How did you feel about GM removing bound items? Were you all for it? Did you agree that 'bound items' were 'killing' the server? If so, why was it OK to remove bound but not reexamine what Elysian Orbs have done to the server?

Buddy, many people have given up, but you put it down to 'moaning' or (bizarrely) people who would rather type than play the game.

How about asking why such a large number of completely different people, with different playing styles and from different guilds feel like this.

I completely agree with Roy's post (never thought I would see the day) that a few of the 'top' players seem perfectly content to have things all their own way and will be blissfully happy sinking with the ship.

It's easy to post that people are just 'moaners' or lack the 'leet' skills to play the game, far harder to get to the bottom of why a once thriving server has lost so many long term players.

For me, I really think some of the fun has gone from the server. This seemed to coincide with the introduction of Elysian Ore.

I personally will not play if I no longer feel I am achieving. Note, I do not want to achieve instantly, I do not want my achievements handed to me on a platter, nor do I wish to spend considerable sums of money. I have now lost (and hence why I barely log in anymore) any sense of achievement when I play. Thats my reason.

Maybe the new content will address this but I still get no sense that there is any understanding as to why what once made so many people happy now only sates a few.

 

[luka]

How did you feel about GM removing bound items? Were you all for it? Did you agree that 'bound items' were 'killing' the server? If so, why was it OK to remove bound but not reexamine what Elysian Orbs have done to the server?

Buddy, many people have given up, but you put it down to 'moaning' or (bizarrely) people who would rather type than play the game.

How about asking why such a large number of completely different people, with different playing styles and from different guilds feel like this.

I completely agree with Roy's post (never thought I would see the day) that a few of the 'top' players seem perfectly content to have things all their own way and will be blissfully happy sinking with the ship.

It's easy to post that people are just 'moaners' or lack the 'leet' skills to play the game, far harder to get to the bottom of why a once thriving server has lost so many long term players.

For me, I really think some of the fun has gone from the server. This seemed to coincide with the introduction of Elysian Ore.

I personally will not play if I no longer feel I am achieving. Note, I do not want to achieve instantly, I do not want my achievements handed to me on a platter, nor do I wish to spend considerable sums of money. I have now lost (and hence why I barely log in anymore) any sense of achievement when I play. Thats my reason.

Maybe the new content will address this but I still get no sense that there is any understanding as to why what once made so many people happy now only sates a few.

Bound kits and Ely orbs are 2 different thing,
Bound kits didn't kill pk it just made it boring when u risk nothing in pk, ely orbs just made changed PK, try to 1v1 without ely orbs with 2.5k MC or 3.2k DC ppl got 1 shot to rev.
I agree it feels like ress over taken attack power, but you can still see top lvls with maxed orbs die.
Imo new arcadian set will balance it a bit maybe they will have some decent base dmg to balance ress

 

[zad48231]

Bound kits and Ely orbs are 2 different thing,
Bound kits didn't kill pk it just made it boring when u risk nothing in pk, ely orbs just made changed PK, try to 1v1 without ely orbs with 2.5k MC or 3.2k DC ppl got 1 shot to rev.
I agree it feels like ress over taken attack power, but you can still see top lvls with maxed orbs die.
Imo new arcadian set will balance it a bit maybe they will have some decent base dmg to balance ress

You just made everyones point for them right there

"try to 1v1 without ely orbs"

Exactly, it's impossible.

The few people who have them are invincible against the majority who don't. Which makes it pointless to even try.

I enjoy a bit of pvp when the stakes are fair, but now I just instantly TT if anyone attacks me, because the only people who attack me are people who are maxed out on ely orbs who know I can't touch them, there's zero fun or achievement there, and zero skill involved.

 

[luka]

You just made everyones point for them right there

"try to 1v1 without ely orbs"

Exactly, it's impossible.

The few people who have them are invincible against the majority who don't. Which makes it pointless to even try.

I enjoy a bit of pvp when the stakes are fair, but now I just instantly TT if anyone attacks me, because the only people who attack me are people who are maxed out on ely orbs who know I can't touch them, there's zero fun or achievement there, and zero skill involved.

Ress is now taking over game and PVP has changed like it did back when ppl changed elemental rune to MC/DC/SC
A little more base dmg will balance it.
I agree if you don't have the time or just cba to grind ely orbs you can still enjoy PVE

 

[UnKnownAngel]

Ress is now taking over game and PVP has changed like it did back when ppl changed elemental rune to MC/DC/SC
A little more base dmg will balance it.
I agree if you don't have the time or just cba to grind ely orbs you can still enjoy PVE

Clearly speaking with someone who has spent much time grinding ElysianOre and that's ok we all do see things from your perspective... HOWEVER you are not seeing it from anybody else's other than your own. The fact you just admitted you can't pvp without ElysianOrbs on your kit just shows that you are crap at the game and rely on OP defence stats.

It is only fun for you because you can be bad at the game and still win, like a cheat code lol.

Please tell me who the top players with max orbs are who die?

 

[luka]

Clearly speaking with someone who has spent much time grinding ElysianOre and that's ok we all do see things from your perspective... HOWEVER you are not seeing it from anybody else's other than your own. The fact you just admitted you can't pvp without ElysianOrbs on your kit just shows that you are crap at the game and rely on OP defence stats.

It is only fun for you because you can be bad at the game and still win, like a cheat code lol.

Please tell me who the top players with max orbs are who die?

First of all I'm not saying you can't PVP without ely orbs, you can but ppl always found a thing to cry about, ppl moaned about how PDR needs to be capped, then ppl moaned about how the dmg is broken and ppl gets 1 shot.
Now ppl cry about how it's hard to kill max ress ppl.
I don't have much orbs on kit yet but if you are just active enough to attend wars and pk you will see it is doable to rev/kill maxed ely orbs players.
I'm not saying names to keep away any drama

 

[Lool]

First of all I'm not saying you can't PVP without ely orbs, you can but ppl always found a thing to cry about, ppl moaned about how PDR needs to be capped, then ppl moaned about how the dmg is broken and ppl gets 1 shot.
Now ppl cry about how it's hard to kill max ress ppl.
I don't have much orbs on kit yet but if you are just active enough to attend wars and pk you will see it is doable to rev/kill maxed ely orbs players.
I'm not saying names to keep away any drama

I agree pookies and ammar fully orbed can rev so easy.

 

[ggggfv]

I agree pookies and ammar fully orbed can rev so easy.

The post is not about elys orbs or the resistance they give / dont give, its simply about how obtainable they are to the community as a whole which I feel is / was fundamentally broken.

 

[DarkStyleDan]

you people talking about resistances making a huge difference I don’t think you even understand what a resistance is. It does not really lower any damage. It’s nothing like pdr/mdr.
It gives a chance that the person attacking you the effects of their spells might miss but it will not reduce the damage. Let’s say u get hit with an ice spell and you have 90% ice res. The damage will be the same as 0% but you will most likely miss the effects of the ice spell.

 

[DarkStyleDan]

Hardly Op

 

[DarkStyleDan]

Elysian ore was added over 5 years ago. If that’s coinciding with the server going downhill why are you still here? I quit four years ago and I’m back and enjoying it more than the first time round. People just need a stable way to collect Elysian ores. New kits coming anyway which will completely blow a Elysian orbed Elysian items out the water

 

[DarkStyleDan]

or introduce a new type of damage orb that adds 5% ele dmg to items using same materials as a Elysian orb and can only have either res or dmg on 1 item

 

[UnKnownAngel]

I agree pookies and ammar fully orbed can rev so easy.

Pookies does not rev easy lol she does recalls and revs maybe once across a 3 hour war on a Sunday night, same as you really bud, ammar does rev a couple more times than that but got to understand he is playing a melee class and runs into a group of players and will successfully almost kill one each time whilst nobody able to do much damage to him due to his kit that he has worked hard to get. This guy @luka said people with max orb kit die, don't think I've ever seen that happen as often as the guy is making out.

Anyway you're all friends with ammar daniele, danieletao etc just go test how much damage they take without ely orbed kit and then again with a fresh kit.

Btw Dan, I am here because I enjoy playing the game with friends that also play it. Hopefully ElysianOre is added to the KillQuota quest. We will see if the tone changes after that.

 

[DarkStyleDan]

It will definitely need adding to the quota npc if there’s new super kit coming. There will need to be a new ore and orb to replace them for new kits maybe

 

[zad48231]

you people talking about resistances making a huge difference I don’t think you even understand what a resistance is. It does not really lower any damage. It’s nothing like pdr/mdr.
It gives a chance that the person attacking you the effects of their spells might miss but it will not reduce the damage. Let’s say u get hit with an ice spell and you have 90% ice res. The damage will be the same as 0% but you will most likely miss the effects of the ice spell.

I remember about a year ago, maybe a little more, I was in diablo with brolly and couple others. Danieletao in full resist kit 90% everything was killing a boss and could literally just ignore us. We were attacking him and he didn't bother to attack back, he just continued to kill the boss, got the kill then moved on. 4 or 5 of us attacking him and we couldn't out-damage his hp pots. And we were not low damage, everyone in group had good attacks, they are just useless against that kit. Tell me that's not OP

 

[zad48231]

Elysian ore was added over 5 years ago. If that’s coinciding with the server going downhill why are you still here? I quit four years ago and I’m back and enjoying it more than the first time round. People just need a stable way to collect Elysian ores. New kits coming anyway which will completely blow a Elysian orbed Elysian items out the water

And who's going to get all that kit? It will drop only from top new bosses and they will be camped 24/7 by people who already have op Ely orbed kit so nobody else will be allowed a chance at it

 

[Kraken]

And who's going to get all that kit? It will drop only from top new bosses and they will be camped 24/7 by people who already have op Ely orbed kit so nobody else will be allowed a chance at it

this is the bit people don’t seem to get. The same handful of people that camp every boss as it is will just camp these new bosses and control the market for the new kit.

It’s irrelevant for me as a casual player I’ll take some time to get anywhere near needing that kit. But I can understand how it impacts others. There’s people on the server now that are essentially in god mode. Mir should always have a downside to the upside, but there isn’t any with this orbed kit. Go max damage, sacrifice defence, go max defence, sacrifice damage, go high fire resist, sacrifice some ice resist. Makes it a more meaningful game with regards to needing to build kits. As it is now just fire on Ely kit and get some orbs and ore then job done.

 

[luka]

Pookies does not rev easy lol she does recalls and revs maybe once across a 3 hour war on a Sunday night, same as you really bud, ammar does rev a couple more times than that but got to understand he is playing a melee class and runs into a group of players and will successfully almost kill one each time whilst nobody able to do much damage to him due to his kit that he has worked hard to get. This guy @luka said people with max orb kit die, don't think I've ever seen that happen as often as the guy is making out.

Anyway you're all friends with ammar daniele, danieletao etc just go test how much damage they take without ely orbed kit and then again with a fresh kit.

Btw Dan, I am here because I enjoy playing the game with friends that also play it. Hopefully ElysianOre is added to the KillQuota quest. We will see if the tone changes after that.

I seen top taos die at wars with ely orbs.
@Lool can confirm

 

[luka]

At the end of the day if all ppl agreed that ely orbs are game changer how you think it will be easy to get.
It's already ez enough to see new chars at lvl 190+ you can't expect to have end game lvl, kit and ely orbs in no time.
If you're going for the top dmg/ress you need to put effort into it.
And all of us seen it happen with the past 2 events Elysian items are more common than HC.
I remember ppl grind hard for elys and we found a way to complain about how drop rates are so low.
With the amount of drops in the past events ppl still complain that it's too easy and the market is dead.
If we had an easier way to have Elysian ore you will see ppl get bored fast.
I totally agree it gives an edge in pk/wars and that's why it ain't easily obtained, but it can be done to rev/kill ely orbed chars.
No matter how hard scorp try to balance, some will always find a way to complain.
Just enjoy the game, it has been changed and new quests content are being added.
And do not expect to have full upgraded kits and ely orbs easy as those are supposed to be end game gear.

 

[zad48231]

People should have listened to me in the first place.

When ely ores were very rare and hard to get, casual players complained that they got none while 24/7 grinders could make an orb in 3-6 months

People demanded they were made more common and easier to get

I warned that such a change would only benefit the 24/7 players because they would get 5x as many and max out their kits and the casual players would still get zero because they have no way to compete for them

Guess what happened... exactly that

Epic caves and BDP/RDD are possible but you need to grind them and do repetitive hunts every single day and gain nothing but ely ores. Casual players simply can't do that consistently, and aren't allowed access to them in the weekly challenges

I ground it out hard when ely ores were new, I worked very hard, I would run solo and outpace everyone at the weekly challenges and I'd do BDP solo. I made I can't even remember how many orbs, I've fully upgraded 1 ely armour and I think I have used maybe 3 or 4 orbs on my kit. Epic caves helped a bit but 90% of my ores came from solo hunts. That was before everything was made easier and rates were increased.

Now? I play very casual, and I accept that I will never get any more. I will just be satisfied with the kit that I have. But that leaves me with the questions of what am I aiming for when I log in? The only things that would benefit me are ely ores and this new kit that I won't be allowed anywhere near because if I make any attempt I will face pk with people who I can't do any damage to.