Shoulder dash

[deanouk23]

Well the last time this was mentioned. Was met with its been like this for 20 years and it's not broken, why should we change something which has always been like this.

So in 20 years what's different and what makes shoulder dash ridiculous in Arcadia.

Couple of things to note, but the main thing is auto run. You can be running and shoulder dash (stops people seeing where the dash started as it doesn't stop to shoulder dash) when the spell ends there is no stop, due to auto run your instantly running away without a pause. Within 1 second of the last dash your on your 2nd dash again. Due to auto run can be impossible to see where it started or where its due to end.

That's the first aspect, the second aspect of what's different is hpr and the amount resist available. Let's say as a tao/wiz your fighting a warrior and land a 1k hit every 4 seconds providing you get to see where shoulder dash started or ended (again with autorun border line impossible sometimes) with an average of 300% hpr (100% base, 100% awakened and a 100% stone) you regen 68 hp a second. Plus standard regen 125 ever 2 seconds. So with extremely easy to obtain regen that's a regen of 130.5 a second or 552 per shoulder dash meaning of a 1k hit 448 damage counts.

What happens when we include a rej robe and a torch and a tao buff? These numbers quickly add up. For instance a torch adds +38 a second, a tao buff adds the same add in rej another 38. That's an additional 118 per second add that to our 130 is 250 a second. When your 1-1.5k hit misses due to auto run. Very quickly your doing no damage as any hit you do land, is out potted with minimal effort.

Again I've not just had someone dashing around the map for 1 fight and thought Omg that's broken. Crunch the numbers do the testing. You quickly see something isn't right.

So what's the fix? Longer cool down or a auto run fix. Cause as things stand something is definitely wrong.

Sorry if this is a lot to process just finished some work and it's late I'll re-read it tomorrow if anything doesn't make sense. I'll also try and video and post it.to give a better understanding of what I'm trying to show/say.

 

[shadow]

Well the last time this was mentioned. Was met with its been like this for 20 years and it's not broken, why should we change something which has always been like this.

So in 20 years what's different and what makes shoulder dash ridiculous in Arcadia.

Couple of things to note, but the main thing is auto run. You can be running and shoulder dash (stops people seeing where the dash started as it doesn't stop to shoulder dash) when the spell ends there is no stop, due to auto run your instantly running away without a pause. Within 1 second of the last dash your on your 2nd dash again. Due to auto run can be impossible to see where it started or where its due to end.

That's the first aspect, the second aspect of what's different is hpr and the amount resist available. Let's say as a tao/wiz your fighting a warrior and land a 1k hit every 4 seconds providing you get to see where shoulder dash started or ended (again with autorun border line impossible sometimes) with an average of 300% hpr (100% base, 100% awakened and a 100% stone) you regen 68 hp a second. Plus standard regen 125 ever 2 seconds. So with extremely easy to obtain regen that's a regen of 130.5 a second or 552 per shoulder dash meaning of a 1k hit 448 damage counts.

What happens when we include a rej robe and a torch and a tao buff? These numbers quickly add up. For instance a torch adds +38 a second, a tao buff adds the same add in rej another 38. That's an additional 118 per second add that to our 130 is 250 a second. When your 1-1.5k hit misses due to auto run. Very quickly your doing no damage as any hit you do land, is out potted with minimal effort.

Again I've not just had someone dashing around the map for 1 fight and thought Omg that's broken. Crunch the numbers do the testing. You quickly see something isn't right.

So what's the fix? Longer cool down or a auto run fix. Cause as things stand something is definitely wrong.

Sorry if this is a lot to process just finished some work and it's late I'll re-read it tomorrow if anything doesn't make sense. I'll also try and video and post it.to give a better understanding of what I'm trying to show/say.

Shoulder dash is fine the way it is lol.. what you are suggesting is a new spell lol.. and also you are thinking too much.. to write an essay over a spell that hardly anybody uses is a proof of that.

I hardly use shoulder dash, but when i do its during pvp and its only to give me that extra layer of running away.. but u know as always a good wiz or taoist would always know when somebody pressed their shoulder dash key.. so they can almost always predict where they should cast their spell

 

[killa_nite]

nerf pdr/slow and im on board.

 

[wummy]

Sounds like that aimed at me huh,Always want stuff that helps only you !

And tbh,as a warrior i wish people dash away from me insanely how easy it is to conter if you using your brain, Shoulder dash work well just as it is,In the end i even know how to counter dash when i play wummy80,kinda easy tbh.
So let me say it in zades words: You only want something that helps you and not the entire Player base!

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Shoulder dash is fine the way it is lol.. what you are suggesting is a new spell lol.. and also you are thinking too much.. to write an essay over a spell that hardly anybody uses is a proof of that.

I hardly use shoulder dash, but when i do its during pvp and its only to give me that extra layer of running away.. but u know as always a good wiz or taoist would always know when somebody pressed their shoulder dash key.. so they can almost always predict where they should cast their spell

Yep,you got it buddy +1


In the end warriors arent a class at all when they slow'd and im sure every warrior will agree with me,the slow on attack speed is insanely broken

 

[Benhurjrjr]

Well the last time this was mentioned. Was met with its been like this for 20 years and it's not broken, why should we change something which has always been like this.

So in 20 years what's different and what makes shoulder dash ridiculous in Arcadia.

Couple of things to note, but the main thing is auto run. You can be running and shoulder dash (stops people seeing where the dash started as it doesn't stop to shoulder dash) when the spell ends there is no stop, due to auto run your instantly running away without a pause. Within 1 second of the last dash your on your 2nd dash again. Due to auto run can be impossible to see where it started or where its due to end.

That's the first aspect, the second aspect of what's different is hpr and the amount resist available. Let's say as a tao/wiz your fighting a warrior and land a 1k hit every 4 seconds providing you get to see where shoulder dash started or ended (again with autorun border line impossible sometimes) with an average of 300% hpr (100% base, 100% awakened and a 100% stone) you regen 68 hp a second. Plus standard regen 125 ever 2 seconds. So with extremely easy to obtain regen that's a regen of 130.5 a second or 552 per shoulder dash meaning of a 1k hit 448 damage counts.

What happens when we include a rej robe and a torch and a tao buff? These numbers quickly add up. For instance a torch adds +38 a second, a tao buff adds the same add in rej another 38. That's an additional 118 per second add that to our 130 is 250 a second. When your 1-1.5k hit misses due to auto run. Very quickly your doing no damage as any hit you do land, is out potted with minimal effort.

Again I've not just had someone dashing around the map for 1 fight and thought Omg that's broken. Crunch the numbers do the testing. You quickly see something isn't right.

So what's the fix? Longer cool down or a auto run fix. Cause as things stand something is definitely wrong.

Sorry if this is a lot to process just finished some work and it's late I'll re-read it tomorrow if anything doesn't make sense. I'll also try and video and post it.to give a better understanding of what I'm trying to show/say.

Oooo but having bloodstorm skill that fills hp right back up is okay but a warrior regen is not makes sense and also let's talk about translocation a skill tht we have no clue where you going to trans to till you have but all this is okay it's the warrior shoulder dash an regen thts broke makes sense ideas tht benefits you. I can honestly say after playing wizz and war warrior have a major disadvantage in pve not as much but pvp is massively disadvantage

 

[wummy]

Oooo but having bloodstorm skill that fills hp right back up is okay but a warrior regen is not makes sense and also let's talk about translocation a skill tht we have no clue where you going to trans to till you have but all this is okay it's the warrior shoulder dash an regen thts broke makes sense ideas tht benefits you. I can honestly say after playing wizz and war warrior have a major disadvantage in pve not as much but pvp is massively disadvantage

Also 100% true,i playing a 156 wizzard recently in naga gp,laughing about how retarded bloodstorm is, i was able to play wummy on a 2nd screen while playing the wizzard on other,just use inferno,frozenground and build pdr and spam COP, Bloodstorm and you will out damage a warrior x2 at leveling and also its not that much slower to kill bosses when you got 5 hulks and a yim,you maybe need 2 mins more than a warrior Max.while you even able to afk while killing bosses with hulks. But obv,they should work on Warriors because they to OP

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Oh and a AOE dash of wizzards/Taos arent op either? Taos and wizzards can perma dash the warrior away when they higher level without getting hit at all,even when you instant BC on them again,the Animation of Getting pushed back and going back in takes more than 4 secs,so the dash is up again,thats the main reason why i used a Ring of Power when i started to play again.

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I mean, Muscle ring*

 

[deanouk23]

Thanks for all the great replies. Any of you pro players wish to log a wiz and come hit me while I dash and run around while I video it would be np. I'll even post the video when we done. All it takes is 1 pm and 5 minutes of testing. Easy to show me I'm wrong. I'll be available most of the day. Feel free to hit me up in game.

And FYI wummy aimed at no one or I'd of named you? Simply put, when you do the maths even if you hit them once on the counter of sd. Regen is high enough for the hit to mean nothing. If your going to argue about it, at least read the post. You see the part I said nearly impossible? When you see the straight line you kinda guess they dashed and hit where you suspect it ends. That's 1 hit, my entire point is regen negates this hit. Even if you manage to land it. Hence we see warriors shoulder dashing away from entire guilds and groups.

My offer stands pm me in game I'll record it.

 

[wummy]

Why im the only Person that abuse that against you persons regently,and only warrior with rejuv that use that against you as well,lmao,you really want me to counter shoulder dash on warrior as well? Give me 5-10mins practise on wizzard and i will hit every skill shot on you on there either. And you dont need to guess at all,its simple maths

Going to school now, not sure when i gonna reply to you,probably when im Bk home

 

[deanouk23]

Why im the only Person that abuse that against you persons regently,and only warrior with rejuv that use that against you as well,lmao,you really want me to counter shoulder dash on warrior as well? Give me 5-10mins practise on wizzard and i will hit every skill shot on you on there either. And you dont need to guess at all,its simple maths

Going to school now, not sure when i gonna reply to you,probably when im Bk home

You was in imms when I first brought this up.... Ain't a new thing dw.

If you could read. Without making assumptions, my original calculations was done with 300% hpr? That's awakened stone and base hpr. I used tao buff torch and rej to further expand on the original post to show potential regen. Again aimed at no one....

Shoulder dash counter for another warrior isn't the issue. When did I being warrior into it? If your a wiz/tao landing a single skill every 3-4 seconds it's easy to out regen, I believe was my original point...

Anyway I'm available pm me whenever you free.

 

[wummy]

You was in imms when I first brought this up.... Ain't a new thing dw.

If you could read. Without making assumptions, my original calculations was done with 300% hpr? That's awakened stone and base hpr. I used tao buff torch and rej to further expand on the original post to show potential regen. Again aimed at no one....

Shoulder dash counter for another warrior isn't the issue. When did I being warrior into it? If your a wiz/tao landing a single skill every 3-4 seconds it's easy to out regen, I believe was my original point...

Anyway I'm available pm me whenever you free.

In bus now,dont Expect a good grammer german bus drivers perma BC on the streets,sometimes they even change the Direction of Bc mid bastle charge,

Then a other question, warrior is supposed to be the Tank class, now he do what he supposed to do and you moan,heal against 1k damage that Hits him once in 3-4 sec? Not sure why you want to chase a warrior at all,just go afk in your fg,fb,inferno and you win the fight? Now you even want to win the "long Fights" against a warrior? Kinda funny that ella even slap me when i spam dash because her borals hit for 2k damage sometimes.

Werent you the Person that said mir is a Team game? So why you want even more Advantage for a 1vs1? As you can see i still getting banged when 5 people of you hit me while dash away,

When we talking about advantages in 1vs1 could wars get 300% more damage when a Player is alone? (5 Yards Sound fair)

 

[deanouk23]

In bus now,dont Expect a good grammer german bus drivers perma BC on the streets,sometimes they even change the Direction of Bc mid bastle charge,

Then a other question, warrior is supposed to be the Tank class, now he do what he supposed to do and you moan,heal against 1k damage that Hits him once in 3-4 sec? Not sure why you want to chase a warrior at all,just go afk in your fg,fb,inferno and you win the fight? Now you even want to win the "long Fights" against a warrior? Kinda funny that ella even slap me when i spam dash because her borals hit for 2k damage sometimes.

Werent you the Person that said mir is a Team game? So why you want even more Advantage for a 1vs1? As you can see i still getting banged when 5 people of you hit me while dash away,

When we talking about advantages in 1vs1 could wars get 300% more damage when a Player is alone? (5 Yards Sound fair)

I'm on the school run so my grammar not the best, no problem.

Firstly you miss my point, warrior fleeing is immune to damage basically, as you will see when you log on and I record it.

Warriors ment to be the tank class? Are they not the single target dps class here? Again nothing to to do with shoulder dash but np.

It's a team game? What so every class bar warrior should hunt in groups just to deal with shoulder dashing warriors? Seems more you see your immunity under threat and will attempt to defend it any which way you can, making sd pause after cast doesn't give wiz the advantage it removes the advantage from warriors. As the spell works in combination with auto run to create the advantage which shouldn't be there to begin with, just like sticky feet after bc used to freeze the player. Unintentionally gave warriors a huge advantage.

 

[Rezkin]

And I'm over here wishing i could out pot a few pb mobs at lvl 179 with cele guard rejuv stone and hp torch and still get fucked up and have to dash away and regenerate.

 

[killa_nite]

I'm on the school run so my grammar not the best, no problem.

Firstly you miss my point, warrior fleeing is immune to damage basically, as you will see when you log on and I record it.

Warriors ment to be the tank class? Are they not the single target dps class here? Again nothing to to do with shoulder dash but np.

It's a team game? What so every class bar warrior should hunt in groups just to deal with shoulder dashing warriors? Seems more you see your immunity under threat and will attempt to defend it any which way you can, making sd pause after cast doesn't give wiz the advantage it removes the advantage from warriors. As the spell works in combination with auto run to create the advantage which shouldn't be there to begin with, just like sticky feet after bc used to freeze the player. Unintentionally gave warriors a huge advantage.

Isn't that what you all do when we bring up pdr? Has to be some sort of drawback. You've been playing war but switch back to wiz everytime you get smashed. Not so easy is it? You've probably noticed using SD means you can't pull someone out of the fight and smash them with bc. You can also get displaced or stuck using it, sometimes slow bugs mid dash and you have to take your arm off to get rid of it. All drawbacks.

Meanwhile when we get you isolated it takes insane amounts of hits to get you out of the fight. Tdb hits you 160+650 with 85% pdr. That's with 2k dc lol. Don't even attempt to use fs/bs on a pdr wiz as that's 1.2k dmg minus your fire res. also perma slowed lol.

 

[deanouk23]

Isn't that what you all do when we bring up pdr? Has to be some sort of drawback. You've been playing war but switch back to wiz everytime you get smashed. Not so easy is it? You've probably noticed using SD means you can't pull someone out of the fight and smash them with bc. You can also get displaced or stuck using it, sometimes slow bugs mid dash and you have to take your arm off to get rid of it. All drawbacks.

Meanwhile when we get you isolated it takes insane amounts of hits to get you out of the fight. Tdb hits you 160+650 with 85% pdr. That's with 2k dc lol. Don't even attempt to use fs/bs on a pdr wiz as that's 1.2k dmg minus your fire res. also perma slowed lol.

Firstly what a crock of shit haha. Been 1 fight on war as I was afk and when I came back the fight was going so was already on war got recalled. Was lacking wiz so I switched over?

Secondly PDR does not make you immune to damage, had this debate with DS. Seen him at ZT 1v1, a single slice and yim psn and I was fucked.... Again not immune. That's when he stopped piping up about pdr...

I invited wummy to log his wiz he didn't do it, I pmed him last night. So I got zade 2k mc and aelin to try. Also had hyp and 4 pets tiger included 1400sc trying to kill me. Tiger blued me 4x for 9 seconds couldn't kill me. @immune... I'll post the videos later, when I finish work.

I'm not going to debate this with you any longer I'll post the videos for andy/warda. End of the day it's them who will see what's up...

Happy hunting.

 

[wummy]

Firstly what a crock of shit haha. Been 1 fight on war as I was afk and when I came back the fight was going so was already on war got recalled. Was lacking wiz so I switched over?

Secondly PDR does not make you immune to damage, had this debate with DS. Seen him at ZT 1v1, a single slice and yim psn and I was fucked.... Again not immune. That's when he stopped piping up about pdr...

I invited wummy to log his wiz he didn't do it, I pmed him last night. So I got zade 2k mc and aelin to try. Also had hyp and 4 pets tiger included 1400sc trying to kill me. Tiger blued me 4x for 9 seconds couldn't kill me. @immune... I'll post the videos later, when I finish work.

I'm not going to debate this with you any longer I'll post the videos for andy/warda. End of the day it's them who will see what's up...

Happy hunting.

Lmao ask zade for a something about PVP most retardrd thing i heard recently,after the terrible english of vic and claymore ofc,why you dont get meph/5star/ella for that? You pick people that terrible at PK �� and yeah i dont Show up,had something more important to do

Edit: zades 2k mc artic Blast do 3k damage and his cop should do about 7 k damage,lmao he just dont know how to play

 

[deanouk23]

Lmao ask zade for a something about PVP most retardrd thing i heard recently,after the terrible english of vic and claymore ofc,why you dont get meph/5star/ella for that? You pick people that terrible at PK �� and yeah i dont Show up,had something more important to do

Edit: zades 2k mc artic Blast do 3k damage and his cop should do about 7 k damage,lmao he just dont know how to play

None of them was on invited you, didn't show. But the outcome would be the same. Vic and clay may have poor English but what do they have to do with this thread? Seems your English is no better as no one has mentioned them.

Anyway ill be around again later if you wanna log your wiz again... To prove me wrong.

 

[wummy]

You guys moaning about you cant kill a warrior while hes running away,that dont make sense at all,i mean warriors only got 100 HPR more than wizzards and wizzards got a spell where they can teleport to every Spot and its simple 100times better than dash because dash is predictable and getting stopped when you infront of someone, nerd mate,this post is just completly bull shit you moan about something that was like this 20years, all you want is that warriors arent allowed to play anymore, i mean you just can stay in Fw and still win the fight,why you want to chase a warrior then?

Its sad that you dont answer to half our arguments

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A 160 wizzard with horrible kit against a 170 warrior with rejuv? Give me some of zades mc kit and i will slap you every Single time

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None of them was on invited you, didn't show. But the outcome would be the same. Vic and clay may have poor English but what do they have to do with this thread? Seems your English is no better as no one has mentioned them.

Anyway ill be around again later if you wanna log your wiz again... To prove me wrong.

I just wanted to mention vic and claymore to say how retarded it was to get zade, we both know zade dont know how to pk at all

 

[deanouk23]

You guys moaning about you cant kill a warrior while hes running away,that dont make sense at all,i mean warriors only got 100 HPR more than wizzards and wizzards got a spell where they can teleport to every Spot and its simple 100times better than dash because dash is predictable and getting stopped when you infront of someone, nerd mate,this post is just completly bull shit you moan about something that was like this 20years, all you want is that warriors arent allowed to play anymore, i mean you just can stay in Fw and still win the fight,why you want to chase a warrior then?

Its sad that you dont answer to half our arguments

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A 160 wizzard with horrible kit against a 170 warrior with rejuv? Give me some of zades mc kit and i will slap you every Single time

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I just wanted to mention vic and claymore to say how retarded it was to get zade, we both know zade dont know how to pk at all

I'll log a shit kitted 150 war results be the same haha. What arguments? That being immune to damage for 3 seconds with a 1 second window to take damage at most? Is OK because your running away haha?

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Why im the only Person that abuse that against you persons regently,and only warrior with rejuv that use that against you as well,lmao,you really want me to counter shoulder dash on warrior as well? Give me 5-10mins practise on wizzard and i will hit every skill shot on you on there either. And you dont need to guess at all,its simple maths

Going to school now, not sure when i gonna reply to you,probably when im Bk home

FYI wasn't about killing my war was your comments that you could land every hit.

 

[wummy]

I'll log a shit kitted 150 war results be the same haha. What arguments? That being immune to damage for 3 seconds with a 1 second window to take damage at most? Is OK because your running away haha?

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FYI wasn't about killing my war was your comments that you could land every hit.

Man im not gonna Public my Tricks for pk,all i can say they not immune.

 

[deanouk23]

Man im not gonna Public my Tricks for pk,all i can say they not immune.

Like a flip flop you mate, say one thing mean another. The fact being you log your wiz and 100% show you how wrong you are, hence I made the offer...