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alfeardo

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yesterday I got elys blade first I was happy then I saw AH is worth 500gg tht blade was worth 2/3kgg before months and if I make it for myself start hunt for elys ore tht only drop in weekly challenge tht camp from high rank ppl rdd bdd guild epic cave I don’t have big team so should stop playing and back when there is event and play 1week event then break for long months
Or im playing wrong if im any1 tell me what worth more I should hunt for it except elys orb
 
I got Ely wand recently just put in store char ill use next year when one of my noob chars gets level 175, not even worth the bother of selling, saw one in AH for 50gg lol
 
The issue is that it's not even worth using an ElysianGem (L) then (XL) to upgrade any Elysian item now. You might as well make an orb and sell it to some idiot for approximately £200 worth of GG, so they can get 5% extra resistance and continue on their journey to become invincible
 
Lool said:
People needed game so easy ones it's easy everyone complain 😭.
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Yep I've been saying this since the dawn of time.
If game is hard, people complain it's too slow and waste of time
If game is easy, people complain there's nothing to aim for
Nothing GM does will make people happy, that's why he just ignores requests, because there's no point for him to solve a complaint, if he does then the same person will just complain about something else

At the end of the day, if you enjoy the game you enjoy the game, if you don't then you don't, everyone needs to relax and stop sweating about things
 
zad48231 said:
Yep I've been saying this since the dawn of time.
If game is hard, people complain it's too slow and waste of time
If game is easy, people complain there's nothing to aim for
Nothing GM does will make people happy, that's why he just ignores requests, because there's no point for him to solve a complaint, if he does then the same person will just complain about something else

At the end of the day, if you enjoy the game you enjoy the game, if you don't then you don't, everyone needs to relax and stop sweating about things
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Scorp acknowledged a flaw with ElysianOre though where certain people was making alt guilds to lvl 20, joining a tonne of noobs to two GC per week, per guild, you're talking almost every evening, to spawn subs and farm orbs. These people fully completed their Elysian items and max orbed their kits, probably with more ores stored away.

The delay in action meant that the tables had already been too far tilted, and he just made it substantially difficult for anybody else to catch up, I'd say almost impossible anyway. Maybe they was added with intention to be difficult to obtain, but in reality a loophole meant they was exploited massively and all he did was close the loophole, however the players that had already gained was left to keep them. I remember when the rune exploit happened, even the players who gained were banned and stores emptied, levelled the playing field. And that had less of an impact than this because nobody was 80% Res on every single stat, max gear, max gg from selling them. Ridiculous lol
 
UnKnownAngel said:
Scorp acknowledged a flaw with ElysianOre though where certain people was making alt guilds to lvl 20, joining a tonne of noobs to two GC per week, per guild, you're talking almost every evening, to spawn subs and farm orbs. These people fully completed their Elysian items and max orbed their kits, probably with more ores stored away.

The delay in action meant that the tables had already been too far tilted, and he just made it substantially difficult for anybody else to catch up, I'd say almost impossible anyway. Maybe they was added with intention to be difficult to obtain, but in reality a loophole meant they was exploited massively and all he did was close the loophole, however the players that had already gained was left to keep them. I remember when the rune exploit happened, even the players who gained were banned and stores emptied, levelled the playing field. And that had less of an impact than this because nobody was 80% Res on every single stat, max gear, max gg from selling them. Ridiculous lol
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Yeah that's a difficult one. I'd be inclined to agree with you, but with the rune exploit the line was extremely clear cut and it was obviously a bug exploit, whereas with the ely ore there's a very slight blurriness in the line that could cause some people to argue it.

While the exploit itself has been plugged, it's probably too late to "fix" the result. I think the way to move on from this is to make Ely ores harder to obtain, contrary to what everyone else seems to think, making them easier to find would make the problem worse. Then when new kit comes out that supersedes elysian etc. all the kit that is currently ely orbed will lose value as people upgrade new kits and are unable to orb them in the same way
 
For good reasons, GM introduced bound kit. Uproar from PKors 'server is being ruined', GM therefore removed bound kit.

For good reasons, GM introduced Elysian ores and orbs. Less Uproar from PKors but server is being ruined (see where I am going with this...)

Just remove ores, orbs and orbs from kit. Failed experiment, move on, nothing to see here 😀

Other than that, everyone accept that resistances favour no one if everyone has them, and if we all do it should lead to longer and better pk, which is what pkors want, don't they?

Surely the goal of our most vocal pkors isn't to make themselves invincible but other players as squishy as a blancmange? Surely...

The problem was the implementation, not the idea.
 
dote said:
For good reasons, GM introduced bound kit. Uproar from PKors 'server is being ruined', GM therefore removed bound kit.

For good reasons, GM introduced Elysian ores and orbs. Less Uproar from PKors but server is being ruined (see where I am going with this...)

Just remove ores, orbs and orbs from kit. Failed experiment, move on, nothing to see here 😀

Other than that, everyone accept that resistances favour no one if everyone has them, and if we all do it should lead to longer and better pk, which is what pkors want, don't they?

Surely the goal of our most vocal pkors isn't to make themselves invincible but other players as squishy as a blancmange? Surely...

The problem was the implementation, not the idea.
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The problem is that GM spends 5% of his time making new content, 90% of his time trying to think of ways to stop people exploiting the new content, and 5% of his time explaining why there isn't more new content.

If people were decent human beings and just played the game without exploiting everything to the extreme then GM would have a lot more time on his hands to spend making the game better for all of us.

The real enemy is the people who do the exploiting
 
zad48231 said:
Yeah that's a difficult one. I'd be inclined to agree with you, but with the rune exploit the line was extremely clear cut and it was obviously a bug exploit, whereas with the ely ore there's a very slight blurriness in the line that could cause some people to argue it.

While the exploit itself has been plugged, it's probably too late to "fix" the result. I think the way to move on from this is to make Ely ores harder to obtain, contrary to what everyone else seems to think, making them easier to find would make the problem worse. Then when new kit comes out that supersedes elysian etc. all the kit that is currently ely orbed will lose value as people upgrade new kits and are unable to orb them in the same way
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Yeah it is hard to compare as it was a game bug with the rune, but guild exploitation is a thing too and it's still happening on massive scales. Let's look at how many guilds are on the ranking page solely for use of GC/BDD/RDD free entry (Elysian Ore farming)

1. NotoriusDragons (recently hijacked)
2. REFLEX
3. Legacy
4. Transformer
5. Horde
6. Uchiha
7. Tramsformers
8. EpicFighter
9. DivineKnights

Unfortunately it is the ease of creating a guild to exploit the content on offer that is the root cause of the problem. How can it be allowed to happen that half of the guilds on "HIGHEST LEVEL" page exist specifically to farm ElysianOre and are owned by the top player(s), that never recruit because that goes against what the guild exists for and would increase the effort to maintain them.

Probably needs reassessing guild challenge entry to be account bound rather than character bound, even if you change guild the game needs to somehow log that your account has done a free hunt this week, or entered maxiumum guild challenges. Lets thin this crap out for future updates.
 
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I can't find the thread/comment at the moment, but I do remember GM saying that it wasn't really an exploit, while these guilds are mostly there purely for ely ore farming, sheer minmaxing activity has led to them being possible, so it's not a bug per se.

For that reason I can't see anyone being banned or punished for this kind of thing, but it is definitely a clear problem that guilds are utilised this way, it's certainly very far removed from the concept of what a guild is for and highlights a fundamental problem.

Some re-thinking about how guilds work is probably needed, to encourage people to actually just play the game, instead of this nonsense. It's not gameplay at this stage, it's a factory operation, and it is damaging to the majority of the player base.
 
zad48231 said:
I can't find the thread/comment at the moment, but I do remember GM saying that it wasn't really an exploit, while these guilds are mostly there purely for ely ore farming, sheer minmaxing activity has led to them being possible, so it's not a bug per se.

For that reason I can't see anyone being banned or punished for this kind of thing, but it is definitely a clear problem that guilds are utilised this way, it's certainly very far removed from the concept of what a guild is for and highlights a fundamental problem.

Some re-thinking about how guilds work is probably needed, to encourage people to actually just play the game, instead of this nonsense. It's not gameplay at this stage, it's a factory operation, and it is damaging to the majority of the player base.
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Exploitation does not have to be a bug, it can be exploitation of a glitch, or in this case, a design flaw, to gain an unfair advantage on others.

Yeah I can remember his comment before about being upset that other people are putting in more effort than us/me whoever, but then he changed the GC shortly afterwards which contradicted that comment. This guild farming for GC or free BDP/RDD to gain Ores, across the same account and create an orb quickly, is a design flaw though, but it's his game and his perspective is the only one that counts. As you have said repeatedly it was intended to be a grind, not much of a grind is it for people that spam GC in 4/5 guilds, bdp, rdd free entry across multiple guilds. The content only gets easier the more they do it due to resistances getting higher, pvp gets easier coz nobody can touch them, its a massive ripple effect lol.
 
The funny thing is, ely orbs aren't even that necessary. Just craft your kit better and buy guild shields and you can get high enough resists. I made 3 myself and used them, and I wish I'd sold them lol, I don't actively hunt for them at all now but any I do make I'd probably sell tbh. People paying crazy prices for no reason.
 
Lool said:
People needed game so easy ones it's easy everyone complain 😭.
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Game isn't 'easy'. Things like elys crashing in price doesn't make it easy. It does mean that certain players are now missing an income stream but their lack of income does not equate to easy.

If it were 'easy' scorp would make runes rain from the sky, sockets as cheap as chips, every craft be an arte of the specific type that you want and Elysian ores as easy to obtain as a rich players tears.

Players can now obtain a tier of kit that was, before, prohibitively priced. Nowt else has changed?
 
UnKnownAngel said:
Yeah it is hard to compare as it was a game bug with the rune, but guild exploitation is a thing too and it's still happening on massive scales. Let's look at how many guilds are on the ranking page solely for use of GC/BDD/RDD free entry (Elysian Ore farming)

1. NotoriusDragons (recently hijacked)
2. REFLEX
3. Legacy
4. Transformer
5. Horde
6.Uchiha
7. Eru
8. Tramsformers
9. EpicFighter
10. DivineKnights

Unfortunately it is the ease of creating a guild to exploit the content on offer that is the root cause of the problem. How can it be allowed to happen that half of the guilds on "HIGHEST LEVEL" page exist specifically to farm ElysianOre and are owned by the top player(s), that never recruit because that goes against what the guild exists for and would increase the effort to maintain them.

Probably needs reassessing guild challenge entry to be account bound rather than character bound, even if you change guild the game needs to somehow log that your account has done a free hunt this week, or entered maxiumum guild challenges. Lets thin this crap out for future updates.
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Can you remove my guilds name please :) we hardly keeping our heads above water to stay at lvl 20 without worrying about farming ores.
 
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